Grace a Reply Norman Oetker .. English Class Reynosa Mae Hong Son Thailand Mexico St. Charles Missouri Hmong Missionary

Grace A Reply MEO L.A.M. Norman Oetker Missionary "The Light Amidst the Mong/MEO" Hmong Thailand, Reynosa Mexico, English Class, St. Charles Missouri US.

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Again, the "Atonement" here is the subject in it’s entirety and my comments revised.  

Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ.  

Norman Oetker Missionary My Comment On The Above October 08 

The statement above is about something that happened, and that which happened was the "Atonement." God’s Grace was active in bringing that individual  to the saving knowledge of Christ. And then- after that completed work of Atonement, completed work of Salvation by Grace, then that same Grace, that first drawled one will continue in that’s persons life.

Grace is not the Atonement, it does not complete the Atonement.

Grace enabled one to be sought after by the Father, this attribute is of the Father and Him alone.

Grace enables us to begin the journey to our heavenly city. We could not in our strength attain  in our intellect, and reasoning ability, of how this amazing process called Grace, from the mind of the Father could be accomplish in and to us.

If anything, our reasoning would only indicated how utterly worthless we are, sin’s darkness could never allow us a glimpse of Holy God. We could not bridge the gap, into the Father’s realm, without Him first extending to us that which He gives abundantly to all, that will receive it, that being His "Grace."  

Given  to us that are blacken through and through with guilt and condemnation.    

Grace leads to the singular and completed work of the Atonement, then that same grace will help us to allow Christ who dwells within to manifest himself in our daily lives.  

Our life began by Grace, continues in and by Grace, and I’m sure in that place where all is revealed, and we will stand before a glorious God indeed, forever as a testimony to the Father’s Grace, as well He will have as a testimony for all to look down into  and see of sin’s condemnation.  

Now, we return to the category we are calling "precious promises" (2 Peter 1:4).

Here we have a priceless one concerning God’s commitment to complete the wonderful work of salvation that He began at our new birth.  

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"…to complete the work of salvation that He began at our new birth…" This is contrary to scripture. The Atonement was complete at the Cross Totally. Our "Atonement" is NOT an ongoing work. The Atonement was complete at the cross and the resurrection.  

If our faith is in Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior, God has started a tremendous saving work on our behalf: "He who has begun a good work in you." 

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This thought is miss-applied. One is saved totally by a God’s Grace, the Atonement is complete. God’s Grace is drawing one to the cross through the Gospel message. 

The Atonement stands alone not a continual work by man’s effort.

As Grace Stands alone.

So the Atonement Stands alone.

There are so many practical applications that could be used, in the explanation of the intent of these passages, FOR EXAMPLE when something is made it is made only once, then there is an on going continual finishing applications and further, later on, restoration process’s to again bring out that, which it was meant to look like, that is in the finished look.

For sure, it is not saying to make the piece again, the making and finishing are two entirely different process’s.   

He has made us new creatures in His Son."Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new" (2 Corinthians 5:17).  

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The Word says we are COMPLETE in Christ. Not some on going process of ONE not quite being complete, and that man has a part in finally completing his own salvation, what a fallacy. WORKS, WORKS, WORKS.  

He has supplied us with immeasurable heavenly resources.

"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ" (Ephesians 1:3).

What a grand work has been started in us.  

Norman Oetker Missionary My Comment On The Above October 08

This is out of context, the work of Redemption has been applied, and complete, in Christ we are elevated as other heavenly creatures, this passage is not implying and on-going work of "Salvation." Again a miss-application, of God’s children. "Has been started," is a complete error, and misuse of scripture, in bending it to reinforce a false assumption.  

Yet, God’s saving work is "so great a salvation" (Hebrews 2:3).

Thus, whatever He has already been accomplished with us is only a part of the whole. 

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These are incredible statements, that God’s salvation plan is only partly complete. All one needs to do is to take this line thought to the next eventual step, and that is, that we need to do something to finish the plan of salvation in out life, that is just WRONG, WRONG, WRONG. It would not be wrong, if one has his own ideal of what he or she has been taught through erroneous applications of scriptures. 

Wherever we are in this glorious process, there is some completing work that God desires to do.  

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We are not in a glorious completion of our Salvation. The Atonement was complete.

The Reader needs to keep in mine that the writer first assumption is incorrect quote "God’s commitment to complete the wonderful work of salvation."  

He wants to bring into our understanding, our character, and our daily experience more of that which is fully ours in Christ.

Furthermore, our God wants us to be confident concerning this matter: "Being confident of this very thing."

As noted in our previous meditation, God does not want people living in self-confidence.  

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This self-confidence statement is again so far removed, it contradicts his writings that being the implication, that our salvation (His Words) in not complete and that, we have to do something for it to be complete ERROR.  

That misplaced trust is just another form of pride.

This does not mean that we Christians are to be without confidence in our lives.

It does mean that all of our confidence is to be placed in the Lord.  

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If one will in fact believe that he indeed is completely Saved, and is in fact, God’s son. WOW!  

"And we have such trust [confidence] through Christ toward God" (2 Corinthians 3:4).

Our Lord wants us to have strong assurance in Him that He will complete this work in us.

 

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Again, the author’s point is ERROR, that which God has stated from the beginning he will complete, however, again and again his implication is about how your salvation was not complete in the beginning, simply error, in biblical 101 basics.  

Also remember, this saving work of God is done within our lives: "He who has begun a good work in you will complete it. 

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It is plain as we read his writings and miss-applications of scriptures, that he believes he is not totally saved when he gave his heart to Jesus. Maybe he’s not saved. 

The Lord has established an eternal position for us with Him in heavenly places: "and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus" (Ephesians 2:6).

Yet, He wants to effect a godly walk for us here on earth.  

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The implication again is that one’s Atonement, one’s Salvation experience, is not complete and that it will be a on going work of completion.  

Walk worthy of the calling with which you were called" (Ephesians 4:1).

This walk is not based upon human theories of behavior modification.

Our Lord Himself develops this in and through our hearts.

"Now may the God of peace…make you complete in every good work to do His will, working in you what is well pleasing in His sight" (Hebrews 13:20-21).  

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My comments on the above author’s errors- which I’ve tried to demonstrate more clearly and I believe that they are in fact incorrect. 

The authors erroneous assumptions and miss-application of scriptures in regards to one’s Atonement, one’s Salvation, that it is not complete, is "ERROR."

Your mentioning of the subject of Grace, is a totally different subject, my thoughts and comments in part, on that are in a partial related article on my homepage.

Your mentioning of Grace in your email is off point, and a total avoidance of the subject matter in which I raised.

My concerns which I believe are correct are about the subject above. 

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