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Question to Missionary Norman Oetker 

so… if it’s the holy spirit that can cleanse the demon possession, how do u explain other exorcisms carried out in the name of Allah??

of Muslim women in Malaysia. 

Hola…thanks for your comment and question. 

I need to explain a phenomenon which involves a person’s "free will."

As stated before in this forum,  

"one cannot decide to become a Christian." 

The "Trinity," God the "Father," Through God the "Holy Spirit," begins a drawing of one to Himself.

Finally, the only way "one" can come to God, is through God the Son, "Jesus."  

Before this "drawing," one is unable to understand their relationship to the Father, during this "drawing of ‘one’ to the Father," it is then, that a person begins to understand their separation from God, furthermore, the knowledge of "how" to come into a right relationship to "God the Father," through "God the Son Jesus," in fact, becomes an understandable, demonstrative truth. 

Consequently, this process includes the human element of "Free Will."

Accordingly, the process that happens requires one to begin the assimilation of this "awareness," of "God." 

The "Quintessential" point here is, that as one contemplates, this very real and personal experiences in their lives during this time, (this Drawing) another element unknown before comes into a "focus reality."

And that is?

"Love!" God is Love, it is happening at this point, in a perplexing, real, way, that one is unable to express fully in words.

Therefore, this, "God’s Love" isn’t just an ideal or an abstract concept, it is palpable, felt, enters into a sense of a personal consciousness that was untouched previously.

Jesus’s love for the Father, his unabashed willingness to accept for another, all that He was sent to do.

His free will, that was used in the fulfillment of the ‘Atonement." "Man’s Salvation." 

God’s love is forgiveness, His acceptance, of a repentant one, who had previously opposed Him. 

Now to your comment and question, 

The Holy Spirit does not cleanse the person of a demon.

Just as with the first, the Holy Spirit is used to draw one to the Father, second, it is the person awareness of the gospel message and it’s application, thirdly, the free will of man. 

Thus, only those that have been lead of the Holy Spirit can discern this demon activity.

The person seeking deliverance state of mind comes into play, and that is paramount.

Does a person understand what is happening? and does one want God’s help in this separation process?    

Now, to the critical point at hand, which is, when a Christian Believer, lead of the Holy Spirit, in cooperation and full understanding of the one seeking deliverance, uses "Free Will."

The Christian Believer’s free will is key, for their "will,"  will come under all sorts of rational during a session, examples being: for it to be over, that’s it’s finished, all is well, yet, it is this yielding of their will to the Holy Spirit, for the direction and the spiritual awareness of others workings simultaneously with them during these sessions.   

The Holy Spirit Of God does not take control of a Christian in the deliverance ministry. One is exercising their free will, in conjunction with the Holy Spirit, that is in accordance with the "Bible."  

"The Full Christian Bible Of Both The Old And New Testament." 

These Spirit lead individuals are not new Christians, but those who have been lead to work in these various ministerial capacities.

Your last comment can be some up with this analogy.

 

Exodus 7

10  And Moses and Aaron went in unto Pharaoh, and they did so as the LORD had commanded: and Aaron cast down his rod before Pharaoh, and before his servants, and it became a serpent.

11  Then Pharaoh also called the wise men and the sorcerers: now the magicians of Egypt, they also did in like manner with their enchantments.

12  For they cast down every man his rod, and they became serpents: but Aaron’s rod swallowed up their rods.

13  And he hardened Pharaoh’s heart, that he hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had said.

Exodus 7

20  And Moses and Aaron did so, as the LORD commanded; and he lifted up the rod, and smote the waters that were in the river, in the sight of Pharaoh, and in the sight of his servants; and all the waters that were in the river were turned to blood.

21  And the fish that was in the river died; and the river stank, and the Egyptians could not drink of the water of the river; and there was blood throughout all the land of Egypt.

22  And the magicians of Egypt did so with their enchantments: and Pharaoh’s heart was hardened, neither did he hearken unto them; as the LORD had said.

 

Exodus 8

6  And Aaron stretched out his hand over the waters of Egypt; and the frogs came up, and covered the land of Egypt.

7  And the magicians did so with their enchantments, and brought up frogs upon the land of Egypt.  

Exodus 8

16 ¶  And the LORD said unto Moses, Say unto Aaron, Stretch out thy rod, and smite the dust of the land, that it may become lice throughout all the land of Egypt.

17  And they did so; for Aaron stretched out his hand with his rod, and smote the dust of the earth, and it became lice in man, and in beast; all the dust of the land became lice throughout all the land of Egypt.

18  And the magicians did so with their enchantments to bring forth lice, but they could not: so there were lice upon man, and upon beast.

 

A Strong Word Of Caution To All Those Who Read This

"don’t do this at home"

or, to be part with others, who contact spirits in the "Spirit World." 

All spirit’s have power and are lying evil. 

They will hurt you, through their deception to you in this life and, for all of eternity.

Missionary Norman Oetker Reynosa Mexico 

Their is only "One God" and only one way to Him, and that is through "Jesus."

 

 

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Question and answers: January 2009 Reynosa

 

Nyob zoo or hola…yes, having a sexual relation with someone under 16 in this country is illegal, yet, in most of the world the culture is different than that of the US.

A further note, the action of this Americanized Hmong is based in lust and ego.

The traditional Mong Njua, or Hmong Dlaw, which or the predominant Clans, in this area of Laos, that are now, part of the residing refugees in the US.

The historical and continual practice in Southeast Asia, is that the marriage arrangements are based, not on love, or looks, so much, but on the size of the female, for she needs to work in home, fields and bare the children, without going into a lot of reasons why, per say… the female, generally, is 2 to 4 years older, than the male.

The Mong / Hmong marriages, with one or more wife’s, is to gain as much wealth as possible, so that when the male dies that the family can appease all of malevolent spirits, in the after world, thus, assuring the family, here, is this world, a good life.

The marriage arrangements can start, at the male being 12 years of age or younger.

Furthermore, as, if you are Mong/Hmong, the bride price in the US, for a college graduate, professional Mong /Hmong female, is between $15.000 to $20.000 US dollars.

Your comment, about the touching of the head, by ministers, and then the people fall down, sad to say, it is a practice, that is out of balance.

Always, always, and always, man has nothing, nothing, nothing to do with the Holy Spirit.

No matter how flamboyant, how much of a stage show appearance.

No matter how many people fall down.

THE FACT REMAINS, MAN, MAN, HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.

ONE NEEDS TO TALK WITH THE ONE WHO GIVES, AND THAT IS THE "FATHER," AND THE "FATHER" ONLY. Norman

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hola…thanks for you question.

When I was 15 years old I ended up in State Reformatory for Boys.

During that year, the reform school was de-segregated, do to the fact, I was the tallest white kid, I was forced to fight the biggest black guy in the place, it was good  fight, until I went down.

Upon my release, I had a slight attitude problem, I completed schooling.

I Join the military Army, I had a problem, that is common in the Air Force, when pilots are released from their training program, it’s called "NO Apparent Fear Of Death."

I had volunteered twice in Nam, the second time, to get my younger brother out, he was in the Marines, however, before the paper work got through, he got hit and returned on a medical.

I joined an all volunteer, 5 man teams, that went on re con missions, it was a L.R.R.P. unit.

Upon my return to the states, I was headed to Special Forces.

Events happened, and I changed my mind, and I re-entered civilian life.

After, my entry into the civilian world, I went to further schooling in the medical field and received certification.

I then continued schooling and became a certified real estate appraiser. 

Thereafter, I became a Real Estate Appraiser for Tax purpose in St. Charles MO.

Upon leaving the military needless to say, I was not afraid of any man, neither of knifes, guns.

If I had to, I would use my hands, I would use my teeth. THE MILITARY PRIME RULE, NEVER SURRENDER.

I was my own man, I had "NO APPARENT FEAR OF DEATH."

I have said all of this, to give you an answer to your question..

"I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery; you shall have no other gods before me."

All of my young adult life, up until I became a Christian, at age 28, I was my own Man.

Upon the surrender of my will, the giving up of the right to myself, to the Lordship of "Jesus."

It became Crystal clear to me, that Evil forces, where pulling me along in my life, as though I had a ring in my nose, and he (evil) was pulling it.

My decisions, that I made by my own choice where being influence by evil.

The land of Egypt was a place of bondage, and slavery to it.

That was what my life was,  a bondage, yet, I thought I was quite normal.

I realized after my conversion to Christianity.

The god I had before Him, was the god of my own desires.

This same analogy applies to nurses, doctors, police, lawyers, teachers, engineers, accountants, programmers to all, on this planet.

The analogy is this, that all, aren’t really in control, of their own destiny, but, evil is guiding one down it’s own evil path, with the final destination being, for one to "REJECT JESUS THE ‘CHRIST’ AS LORD OF THEIR LIFE."

Now in my life, "I HAVE NO OTHER god, BEFORE HIM !

"The Prime Rule Now Surrender All To Jesus."

Norman 🙂


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"CYBER-MUTANT-BULLIES AND THEIR CLONES."

I would like to make a statement about "Bullies," in years past, their were school Bullies, then work place "Bullies," and General Society Bullies, and in this "Forum" there are "MUTANT-CYBER-BULLIES AND THEIR CLONES."

As always, these "Bullies, have their own little group that follows them, to further embarrassed, and attack through personal "Verbal Abuse," to anyone who doesn’t follow the same line of reasoning, as the "Bully."

You will see these- little-in-numbers- mutant-bullying-control-group follower’s with their "CLONES," following their "Bully" leader, from one forum to another.

STOP! Don’t let them "Stop!" you, from commenting on any "Topic Forum."

On this "Thread," I have received private messages, as well as comments from others, that, there are a certain few, for whatever reason, that try to dominate the forum’s board, along with their "Clones."

 

Their general method is to try and change the "Topics" intent, to what they want it to be.

Their method, is to intimidate, other potential forum commenter’s or writers, with their own self serving views, which have nothing to do with a topic, their "Bullying" method, is the "keyboard."

They, these "Mutant-Cyber-Bullies," have the impression that, because of their number of views, to their topics, or, their confused thought logic, that they, have a certain inherit right’s within the Board’s Forum.

In other words, they, these Female and Male Bullies, have set themselves up as the "final say," on any given subject topic.

Their "Bulling," tactics?

If one does not agree with them, then it is to "Intimidate them" with their mean-spirited Personal Attacks, On One’s Character.

Their logic, is, that if you cannot defend yourself, then leave the forum.

This Is the the age old tactic of a "BULLY", either in school, the workplace, or society, their attacks are the same.

Again, I want to encourage those, that want to comment on this topic or any other, to "come forth" don’t let these very few, "females and male ‘Mutant-Cyber-Bullies’ Intimidate You."

I have had thousands of "views," and yet percentage wise, very few comments.

I want to once again encourage those that view this thread, that I want you to ask questions on the topic at hand.

Don’t let the CYBER BULLIES, control you, these bullies are self serving "MUTANT’S,"

Who have left mainstream communication, to bring their own self serving, critical views in their daily attacks on

"YOUR COMMENTS ARE EXPRESSION."

"DON’T LET THE CYBER ‘MUTANT BULLIES’ OR THEIR ‘CLONES’ STOP YOU FROM ASKING YOUR QUESTIONS."

Furthermore, no matter what your English language skill’s are, or your English grammar knowledge,

I want to encourage you to ask your questions, stop these "Female and Male Cyber-Mutant-Bullies."

 

 

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The article below is just one, that I have posted on a "International Asian Web-Site Religious Chat Room."

 

"Would you Like To Asked A Christian Missionary About Demon Possession?"

I would like to include in this thread, a copy of the introduction to

"Would You Like To Ask A Christian Missionary Questions In Regards To The Christian Faith?"

Below is the Introduction.

"CYBER-MUTANT-BULLIES AND THEIR CLONES."

I would like to make a statement about "Bullies," in years past, their were school Bullies, then work place "Bullies," and General Society Bullies, and in this "Forum" there are "MUTANT-CYBER-BULLIES AND THEIR CLONES."

As always, these "Bullies, have their own little group that follows them, to further embarrassed, and attack through personal "Verbal Abuse," to anyone who doesn’t follow the same line of reasoning, as the "Bully."

You will see these- little-in-numbers- mutant-bullying-control-group follower’s with their "CLONES," following their "Bully" leader, from one forum to another.

STOP! Don’t let them "Stop!" you, from commenting on any "Topic Forum."

On this "Thread," I have received private messages, as well as comments from others, that, there are a certain few, for whatever reason, that try to dominate the forum’s board, along with their "Clones."

 

Their general method is to try and change the "Topics" intent, to what they want it to be.

Their method, is to intimidate, other potential forum commenter’s or writers, with their own self serving views, which have nothing to do with a topic, their "Bullying" method, is the "keyboard."

They, these "Mutant-Cyber-Bullies," have the impression that, because of their number of views, to their topics, or, their confused thought logic, that they, have a certain inherit right’s within the Board’s Forum.

In other words, they, these Female and Male Bullies, have set themselves up as the "final say," on any given subject topic.

Their "Bulling," tactics?

If one does not agree with them, then it is to "Intimidate them" with their mean-spirited Personal Attacks, On One’s Character.

Their logic, is, that if you cannot defend yourself, then leave the forum.

This Is the the age old tactic of a "BULLY", either in school, the workplace, or society, their attacks are the same.

Again, I want to encourage those, that want to comment on this topic or any other, to "come forth" don’t let these very few, "females and male ‘Mutant-Cyber-Bullies’ Intimidate You."

I have had thousands of "views," and yet percentage wise, very few comments.

I want to once again encourage those that view this thread, that I want you to ask questions on the topic at hand.

Don’t let the CYBER BULLIES, control you, these bullies are self serving "MUTANT’S,"

Who have left mainstream communication, to bring their own self serving, critical views in their daily attacks on

"YOUR COMMENTS ARE EXPRESSION."

"DON’T LET THE CYBER ‘MUTANT BULLIES’ OR THEIR ‘CLONES’ STOP YOU FROM ASKING YOUR QUESTIONS."

Furthermore, no matter what your English language skill’s are, or your English grammar knowledge,

I want to encourage you to ask your questions, stop these "Female and Male Cyber-Mutant-Bullies."

 

Introduction to:

"Would You Like To Ask A Christian Missionary Questions In Regards To The Christian Faith."

 

Hola, their seems to be a variety of questions, or assumptions, made by those who want to explain the basics of Christian thought.

I want to open this thread with inviting your questions and I will give you answers.

I realize that for the most part, the writers here, in this forum write in secrecy, of who they really are, with this insecure attitude, and lack of self confidence, it’s difficult for one, to truly express one’s personal thoughts.

Secrecy avails nothing.

Honest thought, along with honest expression, are a pre-requisite for the gaining of true knowledge.

For once, I would encourage all to try and express- in this very public forum- questions in regards to this topics of "Christian Thought," and "Demon Possession."

As all know, this site has some of the worst fowl, filthy, hateful, sexist, bigoted views expressed, by mean people who only want to hurt others with their weapons of words.

Let’s try and be honest about this forum, one of it’s stated purposes is about a discussions in regards to Religion.

I would liked to have religious discussion on:  "Christian Thought" and "Demon Possession."

 

Norman Oetker A Foreign Christian Missionary Serving in Reynosa Mexico,  since 2005, January 2009.

 

Early on in my ministry, I knew that the Lord was leading me into the "Deliverance Ministry," of persons, who had lost control, of certain areas within their personal  control.

The "Deliverance Ministry" is only a very small part, of the overall foreign Christian Missionary training experience.

The Ministry Focus, Is To Prepare One’s Self, For Doing Battle With Demons, Through Prayer And Fasting.

The "Casting Out Of Devils" Through The Name Of "Jesus."

 

Moreover, this is one of the many stories. 

 

"As The Lord Would Have It, It All Happened, As A Complete Surprise For Me."

At that time, in the past, there was a  local Interdenominational Church, And within it’s thousand’s of members, there was a very small group of ministry workers, who were  "called of God", to work in this "Deliverance Ministry."

The Deliverance Ministry, is a foul, filthy, nasty business, with the only thing being good about it, is to see an individual set free, in a certain area of their lives, "By The Power of The Holy Spirit," through the name of "Jesus."

 

This story started out with me being involved as the newest member, of this deliverance ministry team.

This was a church ministry group, working in the deliverance ministry, and it was not for those, that did not have the, "Call of God To Work Therein."

It all seemed, to just be a continual, ongoing part of my own ministry preparation within many different areas of ministerial work,  in being a  "Foreign Missionary."

I had read a couple deliverance ministry writings and I remembered, at the time, that they was nothing compared to God’s timing, for when you are going to be used of the Lord.

He is doing things on His timetable.

 

As a Missionary, I have always worked in secular work, in the support of the  ministry.

I did not go from Church to Church, in raising funds, neither had letters sent out, asking for money. "Nothing."

 

"If God has called some one to a particular ministry, God will supply.

Sometimes you might go hungry, or without,

quite possibly you will have to suffer,and or, be despised, and rejected,

those are the predictions, for "Christian Believers" by Christ.

In the state of Missouri US. I had a small craft shop.

There was one customer who brought in some small items, an had asked if they could be repaired?

A sort of loose friendship developed, and as always, I’m talking about "Jesus."

Well, this man is listening but, there really isn’t any difference in his attitude.

 

A little more information about this man, he was probably my age, or maybe a couple years older, he drove a local taxi.

He was morbidly obese with a weigh range of 350 to 400 pounds.

One day he was driving his cab in the neighborhood.

So, after several visits to my shop,  one day he dropped in to hang out.

He had with with him, a  picture painting of his dad, who was dead.

The size was roughly 16 by 24 inches, he asked about some repair questions, in regards to it.

Then, out of the blue he makes a statement about his dad’s painting, he said, that one night in his room- where the painting was hanging,- that his dad’s  painting began "floating across the room.’

 

Well readers of this topic, there is a saying in Missouri US. and that saying is "The Show Me State."

So needless to say, when he said that, I was most skeptical, he needed  to "show me," before I believed him.

Indeed, I just listened to his story and that was that.

After several more visits, from this man, he gradually came to share more things about his life.

 

An one of things he shared was quite revealing.

I don’t remember exactly how he brought up the subject, but, he asked me if I believed in "Curses.’

And unknown to him, I  had just finished a lengthy study of the Christian Bible’s Old Testament, about "curses."

His story began like this, he said, he had moved to this city about a year before, it is where his mom lived.

He formerly lived in New Orleans La. US, where he worked on Bourbon Street; furthermore, he stated, he belonged to a "Satanic Cult Group."

Within in this group, he was the "medium," so that when this Satanic Group Came together in Worshipping the Devil, "he," was the vessel, that a demon spirit spoke through, to the other’s within this Satanic Cult group.

Again, he asked if I believed in curses, and I said, I had just finished a study on that very subject.

In addition, he said that when he told this group, that he was going to move away and return to MO. that

they didn’t want him to leave.

Eventually, this group placed a cursed on him, when he finally did leave.

Then, this "morbidly  obese man," this taxi driver, bent over in his chair and pulled up his trousers pants leg, and reveled an open wound, on the side of his leg, it was about 6 to 8 inches in diameter.

The wound was open, and because I had some medical training, I  recognized it, as looking like a cancerous  infection.

It appeared to look the very same, as the cancer patients that I had to worked with in the past.

The man told me he had been to the doctors and they had taken a biopsy, and had run all sorts of test, and in the end the doctor and the  specialist where unable to say what this open wound was, on his leg.

At this time, the man became very emotional, as he told his story, and eventually  broke down and wept.

I was momentarily at a lost, as to what to to do, or say?

Then I remembered something I had read in a  deliverance book.

So I asked him if he knew anything about the "Deliverance Ministry?"  he said "no,"

So I proceeded to write on a  piece of paper the author’s name and book title.

I wanted him to read that, and see, if maybe that was his problem as to why he felt "Cursed."

It is a little difficult to explain in words, just exactly what happen next.

When you came into my shop, you could walk straight ahead to a small counter which was about 15 feet from the door.

The man was sitting on the stool at the counter.  Again, the stool was about 15 feet from the front door.

 

When I finished writing down the information.I placed it on the counter in front of him, he was pretty much shaken up by now, and still, you could hear the sobs, as the pain of not knowing what was wrong bewitched him.

So, I asked him if I could say a prayer with and for him?  he said sure, so I walked over to his right side, and I was going to place my hand on his shoulder, and say a short prayer, that the Lord would help him, and that he would have some peace.

Then as began to put my hand on him, his head roll straight back,

his eyes where open however, his eyes had rolled to the back, and all you could see was the white’s of his eyes,

his tongue came out and it curled upwards!

and then a blood curling scream, came out of this man,

"A force picked this morbidly obese man, who’s weight was between 350- 400 pounds,"  from the chair, and threw him backwards, where he landed at the front door.

 

The next thing I knew,I sensed the Holy Spirit within me, giving me the authority, and I found myself, when he hit the floor,that I was right  there  saying, "I command you in the name of ‘Jesus,’ to come out of him."

 

This man began to cough and gag as greenish bile, with it’s foul smell came out of his mouth.

In about five minute it was finished, and he got up, and  being much relieved. I gave him a Bible and share more of the power and authority, that is in the name of "Jesus."

This guy’s life changed and his leg began to heal.

An Important point of this story is that this man was set free.

And also that I, Norman, who had all theses plans, on how the "Deliverance Ministry" would and should work, which in fact availed nothing.

The "Lord Had His own Plans, About My Introduction Into The "Deliverer Ministry."  Norman 🙂

 

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A General Note:

Indeed those, that say that they are Christian are, for the most part "Religionist.

An Example, for the most part, they are faithful to their denomination’s traditional groups, churches, mission outreach- if they have one,- schools, institutions, etc. 

Generally, for the most part few understand basic "Bible Doctrines."

On the other hand, they are most generally aware of their religious group’s traditional views, on different religious positions. 

In addition, and for this reason, the "Religious Christian," has no ideal that the "Bible," has a totally different stated view, for they, the "Religionist," follow in lock and step with the "Denominations Traditional Views."

 

In short, the purpose that I bring this up is, that they, these so-called Christians, who deny "Satanic Activity," would have and entirely different opinion.

 

Then, one needs to deal with the added perplexity of those, who are not believers in Christ.

Now, for an non-believer to say, he "doesn’t believe in Christ," what that means is, that He/She understands the "Great Commission Call," given by "Christ to All Believer’s" in explaining the plan of "Salvation."

Furthermore, it means that this person, has been drawn by the "Holy Spirit," to seek out more information about the Lord and the "Salvation Message."

This Non-Believer, for the most part who says they reject "Christ," have not been drawn first, by the Holy Spirit.

A person "CANNOT" come to God, at anytime He/She Chooses.

They are not a non-believer, they are the "Lost."

They then need to hear, the "Bible’s Plan of Salvation," when the Lord begins, to draw him or her, to Himself, through the Holy Spirit.

  

To your questions:

The danger of:

a. cross demonic possession from buying used stuff (from from The Salvation Army or Good Will or antique shops)?

In one of my journey’s within the Carolinas in the US., I had stopped, at an Antique barn. The Barn itself was an Antique, it was a "Tobacco Barn," maybe 30 feet wide and 300 feet long. It was full of all kinds of things for sale.

Under a pile of other things, a brownish, aged, cardboard box, with it’s dust covered books lay, normally, I would have passed over it, nevertheless, for some reason I began digging through it.

In it was an old black hardbound book, I began reading and I stayed there reading, and reading, I was amazed at what  this book was stating. All happened to an uneducated farmer, a life long member in a Christian Church, a Bible Sunday School teacher, who was giving medical descriptions, of what was wrong sick people.  I was fascinated until I came to the part where he said he was "The Apostle Peter Reincarnated."

This book in fact, was written by him, as this demonic spirit guided his thoughts, and as it turns out, he has lead many from the Christian Bible Truths.

This book was evil, I, being a Christian recognized that the Christian Bible does not teach "Reincarnation."

 

b.[What I mean by cross demonic possession is if that item is possessed could the demon also possessed anyone handling the item]

No… to your question, of handling something.

 

c.eg used clothing

No.. same as above…but maybe, lice, fleas, or whatever? might be transferred. 🙂

d. used books, lamps, furniture

old used jewelry

No…as above

 

e. eating from reused eating utensils from public restaurants

No…but, again, the possibility of a viral, or bacteria transference. Norman 🙂

 

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Be Thou Perfect

 

1) brought to its end, finished

2) wanting nothing necessary to completeness

3) perfect

 

1Co 14:20  Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.

 

Job 1:1 ¶  There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.

 

Ps 37:37  Mark the perfect man, and behold the upright: for the end of that man is peace.

 

Mt 5:48  Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

 

Mt 19:21  Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

 

2Co 13:11 ¶  Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you.

 

Eph 4:11  And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

Eph 4:12  For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

Eph 4:13  Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

 

Php 3:12  Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.

Php 3:13  Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,

Php 3:14  I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

Php 3:15 ¶  Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

 

Col 4:12  Epaphras, who is one of you, a servant of Christ, saluteth you, always labouring fervently for you in prayers, that ye may stand perfect and complete in all the will of God.

 

Heb 5:14  But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

 

Jas 3:2  For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body.

 

1Pe 5:10 ¶  But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.

 

1Co 2:1 ¶  And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.

 

1Co 2:13  Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

 

1Co 1:18  For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

1Co 1:19  For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

 

Lu 16:8  And the lord commended the unjust steward, because he had done wisely: for the children of this world are in their generation wiser than the children of light.

 

2Co 1:12   For our rejoicing is this, the testimony of our conscience, that in simplicity and godly sincerity, not with fleshly wisdom, but by the grace of God, we have had our conversation in the world, and more abundantly to you–ward.

 

2Co 4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

 

Eph 2:2  Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

 

Jas 3:15  This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.

 

1Co 2:8  Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

 

Job 12:19  He leadeth princes away spoiled, and overthroweth the mighty.

 

Job 12:21  He poureth contempt upon princes, and weakeneth the strength of the mighty.

 

Ps 2:1 ¶  Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

Ps 2:2  The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,

 

Ac 4:25  Who by the mouth of thy servant David hast said, Why did the heathen rage, and the people imagine vain things?

Ac 4:26  The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ.

Ac 4:27  For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,

Ac 4:28  For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done.

 

1Co 1:28  And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:

 

Ps 33:10  The LORD bringeth the counsel of the heathen to nought: he maketh the devices of the people of none effect.

 

 

 

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Hola, I’m burden in my response to you, and your thoughts, questions, and statements.

I cannot give the direct answer to you, you will need to capture it, within yourself.

 

I want to share another story. The players are the Mong/Hmong refugees, nevertheless, it is also representative of all Asian Refugees of the past, that came into the US.

 

As a Christian Missionary, returning to the US, I was able to talk with many refugees.

This first generation, that was now here, in the States, I asked about their thoughts on many subjects.

Across the board all where very spiritual, and praise and thank God, that they where here.

America for them was a sanctuary.

 

Evidently, they were to find out and realize, as you have demonstrated in your writing’s, that America isn’t so great.

 

The sanctuary, that the refugee’s talk of, became in a sense, "their prison."

I had  stated at that time, that it would take, three to four generation, for this assimilation into the American mainstream.

In working with the Mong from Laos, it became clear, that they where set on a course, for the pains of: discrimination, racism, and bigotry, in most of the communities that they where to  live.

Indeed, for the most part they were ill equipped to cope with the perplexities of living in a modern town, and never mind in trying to understand how things work in the American society  .

They withdrew an became an INTROVERTED society, as you probably know, each group established their mini country.

An in doing so were doomed to life out of the American mainstream.

 

Consequently, they were easy prey, for those who like to control and gain the power over others, in their own ideals and schemes, as they see them.

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This first generation were lost within America, the language and their custom remained, and it was their sense of wanting to belong, that they listened to those who had their own agenda, who were in fact, manipulating these people groups.

 

An example, I would like to give is one in Thailand, in the Bangkok area, the student uprisings against the government of the past, were sparked by official saying, that these groups of students where be infiltrated by Communist agitators.

Accordingly, in the oncoming demonstrations, the students were: beaten, clubbed, tear gassed, with some being shot and then jailed.

When the demonstrations where over, it was then that peace was restore.

 

What I have learned in regards to this situation, was that it wasn’t the students, who were at fault, in fact, it was the liberal university teachers.

Namely,these  liberal groups wanted equal distribution of wealth to all, and in was their in-flamed rhetoric over month’s and years, that in the end, convinces the students of their just right to oppose the government.

 

Furthermore, these liberal group’s, of like minded individuals, are in every society,world wide.

 

The Mong/Hmong of Laos, the leaders, made a critical mistake.

 

The mistake, was  that they were being manipulated by their own leaders, who in fact, wanted to continue their domination here in the US., as they had in Asia.

The second was this liberal bastion, within the Minnesota Education system.

The liberal education system, was transfixed in their twisted concepts of this society, the refugees were lead to believe that they were victims, of  not receiving equal rights, etc.

The bringing of this refugee group here, was to instill these concepts, that there only hope, their true hope was in a continual liberalized ideology, and that education was their only hope.

 

Eventually, this grand ideal of being an "educated professional," became their "god and religion.."

 

Furthermore, those in the leadership capacity, both directly and indirectly,had caused and are continuing to cause, much hopelessness and suffering, now in the third and forth generations adult refugees.

 

The refugee’s remained in large groups, living in thousands of numbers, and by doing so, have created a backward-miss understanding of those who where not of the same ethnicity.

Evidently this lead to racism, bigotry within their groups and soon this was a  norm.

 

Indeed, this is what has been past down to the refugee populations, to their children, and to their children, of these immigrants, that lived in a closed society, in fact, they are handicapped by this lack of intercourse with other ethnic groups.

As a result, this isolation, from the greater society from which they live, creates a lack of self esteem and worth, the American dream, is slanted to the other groups, and they think, it’s not to be attained by them.

 

The first dentist, the first teacher, etc are celebrated as the picture of an accomplished well rounded successful refugee.

Their  only hope was in the education liberal system.

What this liberal system thought, was relayed through class room teaching… and soon was actualized, in the street demonstration, equal rights, being and unjust victim of a terrible local or state government.

 

In addition, the Asian people groups are paternal clans, and remain as such thorough each generation.

 

Self realization happens when one is within a greater society in general. Reversing introversion.

The need to communicate, to have everyday chats, or establishing  light friendships, with a whole host of individuals with in  society ladder.

 

I have told the Mong and other refugees to move away from the group.

Move to other places and begin their own self realization.

In the past, the welfare program was the draw to CA. Minnesota’s Education  liberal machine was it’s drawing card.

Change is difficult, adjustment is painful, and then seeing the eyes of those, with their sneers, their harsh comments in a negative, racial way, is truly something no one wants to experience.

 

There were those who committed suicide.

 

Then, the greater part of the people, that claimed to be Christians, were not involve with the assimilation of the Asian refuges, then and for the most, aren’t currently involved, now with the third and fourth generations.

 

I’m and American, I was born "FREE."

Thus, as with most Americans,- as I tell my English students here, "Americans think that they know everything, and have a solution to all things." However, in truth, they don’t know much, this though, is a cultural norm for the American people.

 

To be free, is to go forth making new acquaintances, do new things , have  different ideals, cooking in another manner, breaking life’s enslaved habits, reaching out to new horizons.

 

Moreover, it takes a wilful effort, it takes practice, to be part of a society.

 

To Be Born In A Free Country Doesn’t Make One Free, Freedom Comes In The Journeying Of Life And All That It Holds.

 

Therefore,  "Go, To Meet Destiny’s Call ."  

 

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A So Called End Time Leader Named… End Time False Prophet Yes or No? 

 

Norman- This is part of a correspondence of a person who predicts a vital end time figure associated with Hamas.

The Writer states:

Finally, I decided that what I took for granted must be said. Most were either not convinced, or did not understand. Also, this subject matter lends support to my other writings on the end times…

 

Norman…You assert your writings on the end times, that one need’s to convince someone of your opinion, if you don’t they won’t understand your prophecy, that you have taken as truth and, or, taken for granted.

 

Norman…At the simplest level, you say you are speaking for God.

 

Norman… Islam, Hamas and others, you name in your dissertation, are the sources from of all that you claim, are to come from.

You state that your prophetic vision that you believed, it did not happen on the time table you first believed, but was set back six months.

If a Prophet, which you claim you are,- for only a Prophet, can say he understands what God has said to him and, or to other Prophets, the Bible clearly sates that only a Prophet can judge another Prophet- and your claim, which you want to present to the world, your opinion’s, that you have to convince all, that they are valid.

If your claim was 6 months off, you in fact are not a Christian, but a false prophet!

If a prophet of old had made a prophecy and it did not happen, he or she was put to death.

Those in charge, did not want to hear why your prophecy did not happen, neither the reason about the economy, oil prices or the such. They simply did what "God" had said to do, to those, who speak in prophecy, in God’s name, and it did not happen, they where to die.

 

Furthermore, for your information we are not in the End Times as you assert.

We, the peoples of the world, are in the greatest of all times, in favor with God, we are in the period of "Grace."

God’s Wonderful, Loving, Kindness To All On This Planet, We, And All Of The People Of The World Including The Hamas Are In This "Grace."

God is, and has, sent forth, the missionaries to all of the world, from within each part of the world,

We Are In God’s Ever Abundant Mercies And Grace Now.

 

NOT THE END TIMES.  

 

 

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Question and Answer. January 2009

 

I have thought about your previous post, with your scriptural errors, and wrong assumptions, about becoming a Christian.

As I read your second post, to the current topic, I decided to address your errors of the first off topic statement, of your first post.

Consequently, this reply, to your first post will only be between you and I. Others may comment about it, still, this will be between you and I.

I can only speak for myself, what you decide of course, is up to you.

 

You state- Jesus said, I am the way the truth and the life no one can come to the father but by me.

Norman states- true

 

You state- What I believe about the Christian faith is the Bible is not enough to build your Christian faith and walk,

1. Your statement that the Bible is not enough.

You clearly reject the Inspiration of the Bible, as being Inspired from God, and His Plan For Man.

Thus, you are a "False Teacher," since you have decided, to go public with you OWN stated error ridden views.

2.Norman states- you are either incredibly miss-informed about Basic Bible Doctrine..Are, as I have had to instruct others, who similarly, had unscriptural ideals, about a host of issues, that were in line with your stated doctrinal writings, which are in Error, and subsequently, as with theirs, also with yours, a False Teaching.

You claim to have a separate "Revelation from God," about how that "Your Opinion," that the Bible is not enough…

3. or,

As I suspect, you, along with countless others, who hold to these similar belief’s, have been brainwashed, I know that, that, is a harsh word to use.

Nevertheless, if you would look closely at your written statement, you will see exactly, what "OTHER’S" have said, what "THEY" believe, about the Bible, and some of "THEIR" explanations of key doctrines.

One can obviously see all of the store bought books, that have helped, in your twisted understanding, as you try now to explain your error ridden doctrine.

As a Christian Missionary, I have had to deal with those who have wonder innocently at first, into cultic practices, who then begin to say, exactly, what this or that person, or that group is saying.

Eventually, the way in which one is set free, is by asking, continually, questions to that person. And by asking these continual questions, on a whole host of issues, as to why someone believes, this or that, it in fact, forces one to "THINK ON THEIR OWN AGAIN."

Their thinking then begins the process of seeing their error, however, it takes time, and sad to say, some would rather continue with their friends, or relatives, within these group situations.

 

You state- "also church is not enough to do it,"

 

Norman states- Obviously, you lack the basic "Faith In God, to Believe in the Inspiration of the Bible, where in, "The God Of The Full Christian Bible Of Both, The Old And New Testament Commands all Christians," "To Not Forsake The Gathering Together."  (Going to church.)

This does not include "You, or Your Group," that hold your own "Unscriptural Views ‘That The Bible,’ Is Not Enough."

This "Command is from God, to the Believer in Christ, and the Bible."

"Which You Have Rejected, As Not Being Enough In Your View."

Furthermore, "Your Rejection Of the Inspiration Of the Bible," You Have Categorically Deny "Christ," Who Is the "Center Piece," Of Both The Old And New Testament.

You state- knowing all the histories of the world is not going to do it.

Norman states- Thus far, you are telling the world, that the " The God Of The Bible Is Not Enough. Likewise, you are saying to The Believers In Christ, And The Christian Bible, The Church is Not Enough!  Now You Equate Your Ideal That The Unsaved, The Unbelievers, As A Source, That, In Fact They Are Not Enough.

Your Own Words Or Unscriptural, On All Counts. Cultic Statements.

You state-What I’ve learned is that its not really what us Christians share or know about history in the churches that’s important,

Norman states- In Fact We Are "Commanded By God," "To Go Forth And Teach And Make Disciples." The "One" And "Only Book," That Is Used, Is The One You Have Rejected, As To Not Having Enough, In Your Opinion For The Christian Faith.

You Are Not A Follower Of "Christ And the Bible," Though, Evidently, You Are Of A Humble-Jumble, Miss-Mash, Of So Called Christian Rhetoric.

You State- But the most important thing is to have a "personal" relationship with Jesus Christ.

Norman states- You have stated at the beginning,

"What I believe about the Christian faith is the Bible is not enough to build your Christian faith and walk,"

"One," Cannot Be a Christian Without Faith In God, And Believing, In The Bible, And The Church. One,That Believes In the Bible, Believes In The Inspiration Of It, And Adheres To It’s Truths, As The Only Inspired Guide, For The Christian To Follow.

 

You state- The bible teaches us , but even the Bible clearly states that it is not enough,

Norman states- This is untrue.

 

You state- the Bible even says this ,

Norman States- This is untrue.

 

You state- what we need is "the spirit" in our hearts.The Holy Ghost.

 

Norman states- Now this is where your most egregious error begins.

What you are leading the Unsaved, the Sinner, the Unbeliever, and Other Christians is to believe that:

God, "The 1st Person Of The Trinity," is Not Enough,

 

That Jesus, "The Second Person of The Trinity,"  "The Way To Salvation" is Not Enough,

 

That The, "Bible,"  is Not Enough,

 

That "The Church," Is Not Enough To Build Your Christian Faith.

 

You state- You, "The Christian And Unsaved" must receive the holy Ghost in your heart…

 

Norman states- The Bible Does Not Teach, That To be A Christian, That One needs To Do Something Else, Besides, the Accepting of Christ, "Jesus," "The Second Person Of The Trinity." And "Jesus’s," Atonement to God, The Father..

 

You state- thru prayer and maybe fasting,

 

Norman states- This is untrue

 

You state- but mostly prayer and getting to know who Jesus is.

 

Norman states- This is Not Bible doctrine.      

 

You State- Once you receive the Holy Ghost,Jesus spirit comes into your heart and from then on, he never leaves you, he’s your best friend and he’s your teacher.

 

Norman states- Your statement that a "Christian," are the "Unsaved." must received the Holy Spirit into their heart first, is unscriptural.

 

The Holy Spirit has many actions, however, your unfounded claims that the "Third Person Of The Trinity, ‘The Holy Spirit’ Must Be Pray For With Fasting," Is Totally without Any Scriptural Footing, to say the least. A complete fabrication, by one claiming their own views, to be basic Bible Instruction.

Totally, Incorrect and False.

Evidently, there is a small fringe group who adhere to an unscriptural dogma that one has "TO SPEAK IN TONGUES TO BE A CHRISTIAN."

 

You state- Its one thing to know the laws, you can know in your mind and follow religions, but if you have the Holy Ghost you can "feel" the law speaking to you and your emotions that cause you to act, which is very important.

 

Norman states-Today Christian are in a time of "Grace," not "LAW."

YOU ASKED CHRISTIANS, AND NON BELIEVERS,

TO BELIEVE THAT GOD’S BIBLE IS NOT ENOUGH!

THAT CHRIST’S ATONEMENT ON THE CROSS,  AND JESUS’S WONDERFUL LOVE ACT FOR ME, AND, FOR ALL OF MANKIND IS NOT ENOUGH!

THAT THE OTHER BELIVERS, IN OUR WONDERFUL SAVOR ARE NOT ENOUGH!

THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH IS NOT ENOUGH!

 

YOU STATE-  "TO TRUST YOUR EMOTION."

 

NORMAN STATES- YOU ARE UN INFORMED ABOUT BASIC CHRISTIANITY.You state-I don’t know it all, I’m studying too, but basically so far I believe that as a sinner we go to Jesus and he washes us clean,

 

Norman states- You go to Jesus and Jesus gives us a bath? No, we go to Jesus, where the "Atonement," and Jesus’s shed blood of the cross is applied, by faith, to our old sin nature, that we and all humans have inherited from Adam.

We are washed and cleansed of our sins. 

 

You state- we don’t go to church because we are perfect, we are not,

we don’t read the bible because we are perfect, we are not,

we don’t pray because we are perfect we are not,

we go because we are sinners who want to be washed and to learn.

 

Norman states- The Bible in no way speaks of a Christian becoming a sinner after accepting Christ. Nether, does the Bible teach, that one needs to be continually regenerated, born again, of having one’s sin’s washed away repeatedly, as when you first become a Christian.

A sinner who continues in Sin is in rebellion to God, he/she is not teachable, is unable to learn.

When a person is born again his/her sins are washed away, by Cavalries Cross.

 

You state-but it is good if we are learning and practicing to become perfect, we wont be completely perfect till we die, we are like his children who need to go to him to protect us and teach us rite from wrong.

 

Norman states- And Christian will only learn from God’s Inspired Bible and His Church. Not life’s, emotional roller coaster experience.

 

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