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Prophecy:

Eventually, another way of looking at current events.

A letter was written by a person who says he is a “Prophet.” One who has “God’s direction” about fore telling the “Future,” for all of the Christians Worldwide. All of Christianity is to embrace his private interpretation of his writings as being from God and therefore “ABSOLUTE!” as to his interpretation of a singular chapter in part, of the Bible.

A note, there are roughly over one thousand eleven hundred chapters in the Christian Bible, over thirty thousand verses, and others say, there are over seven hundred thousand words. Those words in this discussion here, are only a handful.

As one reads this Prophet’s conclusions, of tying current events with Bible symbols, it is open for discussion by others and to be finally judged by other “Prophets,” as to be from God and therefore, the “Truth.”

This factor is not mentioned, in this Prophet’s statement’s, on the contrary, according to the information given for over twenty years, there aren’t any other Prophets mentioned, as to asserting to this Prophet’s accuracy and truth in “Prophesying” of the past and to his current statements, as being

“True, And From God And, For All To Believe.”

 

The Internet is only in a very small portion of the global population, and of that there is only a minuscule part that would happen to be in this chat forum at any given time.

Now, we could guess maybe, God, will give others- in all part’s of the world- that this is the correct interpretation of these verses. Furthermore, all preceding Christians, Pastors, Sunday Teachers, all current Bible colleges, all current Christian Theologians, that have a different opinion, and along with their scriptural reference are in fact incorrect.

 

That an obscured “Prophet,” for the most part has it correct.

hmmm…

 

The primary purpose of a Prophet is to be a messenger for God.
In the final analyze, there is no need for defending God are the things He has said, in the “Full Christian Bible Of Both The Old And New Testaments.”

There will be no further revelations of what has already been given in the Bible about Prophetic Events.

 

In short, no one will be adding to the revelations given by the Holy Spirit, of the symbols used of persons, events, nations or whatever it might be referencing to in the Bible, of the now New Testament of the Christian Bible.

These future events will unfold on God’s timetable and no one else’s.

 

In the, “heading to a conclusion of events.” This has been talked about throughout the ages.

For example, there is a school of thought that the book of Revelation was fulfilled at the fall of Jerusalem, in the early stages of Christianity.

Moreover, there have been many that have predicted the end, and their view of preceding events that where current which were in fact false.

Another important consideration in a Prophet’s Prophecy.

 

God selects a Prophet to use, God fully knows the speaking abilities of those He chooses.

The way in which a Prophecy is spoken, with it’s dialectical colloquialism is exactly what God had intended to use.
If one needs to change, and further enhance supposed words from God, Red Flags need to be raised.

New Testament Prophet’s are not solo individuals, selected exclusively by God, for a word to all, on the contrary, the Bible is very clear on prophecy, that “ALL” prophecy is to be judged by other “Prophets,” as to being a “True Prophecy.”

All solo Prophets, who do not abide by this Bible fact are indeed, “False Prophets.”

In a Bible School Class, on the subjects mentioned in Revelations 13, there are varying view points on exactly who the characters are, that are being symbolized in this chapter.

Again, with one stating this is the meaning, and another stating their view, which is just as compelling, along with their scriptural references.

There is no scriptures given by God to an individual for his or her own private interpretation.

 

God has established a check and balance with all Prophecy spoken by one who says that he or she is a Prophet or Prophetess, and that is, that it will be judged by other Prophets, as to it being a true “Prophecy.”

Those Bible teachers, that correlate into today’s events with the characters or symbols from the Bible or only speculating in close proximity of maybe something coming from their own private interpretations of the Bible and it’s certain verses.

 

The final conclusion, is it’s just another bible student expressing an opinion on certain passage.

Today, 2009 FEBRUARY, we Christianity, are not in the “Final Days.”

 

The events spoken of in Revelation will be seen, plainly, by all.

Now, “Today,” is a time of “Grace,” which is unmerited favor given to man by God, that man, in fact, can come to the saving knowledge of Christ and the Cross, Forgiveness, and Salvation.

 

A ““Word Of Warning!”” Whenever you hear someone say this is the final warning, “that you need to repent or be lost, that is not God.”

This day, this time period, is “Grace.”

 

God’s Love, for His created beings, He, God, did not send his Son “Jesus,” To Condemn Mankind! On The Contrary, Jesus Came To Save.

 

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[quote name=’Henry123′ date=’Feb 24 2009, 09:29 PM’ post=’4142168′]

(Without going off topic)

I’m just curious Norman have you ever work (or no someone who has) with tribal people in Africa or South America?

If so how did you approach them without getting yourself killed? I must say I would think it is very dangerous work. I cant imagine how risky it would be to approach a head hunting or cannibal tribe or similar hostile tribes.

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hola….no I haven’t worked in the areas you mentioned, however, I had a sister in law and her husband that worked and lived for a number of years in South Africa caring for Aids orphan babies, as they did Christians missions work, they also had a small farm to raise and sell coffee and fruits, for their support. The threat to them was very real.

In Southeast Asia, in Thailand’s extreme northern area up in the Himalayan mountains were Laos touches Burma (Myanmar) lives part of the Mong clans, named the Mong Njua or Green Mong, they are the key producer of Heroin, this area is called the Golden Triangle, the work I was directed to undertake was in the Mong Njua village, at the center of this border region. 

On my homepage I talked about these experiences.  I was told at this time that upon going up into this area, by other Christians- who had not entered this area- that I would be killed if I went up into this: communist controlled, bandit controlled, and opium warlord area.

And, yes, the village was attacked were I lived, the headman son was murdered, house set a fire, by the opposing opium warlords.

At that time, to give a more direct answer to your inquiry about approaching hostile areas and it’s peoples. 

Going to the area was not my ideal, it was given to me in prayer, by the "Lord," when I was in St. Charles Missouri.

I had never been to this area, and I did not know the Mong, in fact, I went to the library to read up on them. I was directed in prayer, at that time into which direction to go in northern Thailand. I had never been there; furthermore, there was nothing on any map indicating this small Mong Njua village tucked away, in a saddled area of the Himalayan mountains. (A saddled area is a slope between two mountains.)

The three major opium warlords in this area were: The Chinese Kuomintang (KMT) army from China, or what was left of it, was part of the drug smuggling operation in this area, they were allowed by the Thai government to live in this border region, the other two opium warlords were the Burmese. These three sort of worked together, yet they would kill each other in a heartbeat, if one encroached in the other’s areas of opium production or distribution.

I lived in the Mong village, which took me two days by trekking to arrive at, their was no roads, electric, water nothing, only thatched roof dirt floored huts.

Later, I was able to trekked with the Mong to all three of the above mentioned camps.

 

TERROR!

Before I became a Christian, I served in Viet Nam for two years, I had volunteered to join the Army and also volunteered twice to go to Nam, my purpose was to help the Vietnamese people in their plight against communism.

At the same time, I was not a Christian, there were times there in Nam, that I was totally, and absolutely scared —-tless!!

Subsequently, after my conversion, about six years after my return from Nam.

Then, upon becoming a Christian, and thereafter,  in committing my life to Christ in mission’s work, and then on to the Mong Call, in the north west  Himalayans, in Thailand’s  border regions.

In this area, with all of the dread and doom, that I was told , by experienced missionaries and lay people a like, and even further told by the northern Thai people, that the the Mong people; in fact, were not human, that they had short tails, about five inches in length.

While at the last city on the maps- at that time- was the provincial capital of Mae Hong Son Thailand, these same dire death scenarios were repeated over and over, if I continue this quest into this area.

Before my leaving the US. I had shared that the “Lord,” was directing me into Asia,… and…well to put it bluntly, all, including family and others thought I was “nuts.” Southeast Asia was a very real hot spot of the world at that time, similarly as now the middle east is today.

Upon arrival in Thailand, with the exception of one mission family in the north, all others thought similar thoughts as those in the states, only they were quite pointed in their assessments of this trek; into this wild, hostile environment where no one went. They, those in this region, would simply kill me and that before I go, I should contact the American Embassy, for surely, I wouldn’t be returning, if I continued going to these opium drug lord controlled areas, known as the “Golden Triangle.” 

To your question about approaching dangerous people and situations, first and most importantly, is that a missionary is sent from “God.”

There is a purpose from God in sending one to any area of the world or within a local city, or neighborhood, and that purpose, is one, and “one only,” and that is to explain, “how man can obtain ‘salvation’ through the Cross of Christ.”

In very hostile areas, it’s sort of difficult to explain, it is like you see and know the danger that lies ahead, however, there is this surreal assurance that you’ll be ok, it’s kind of like your in a bubble, and no matter what is coming, you know that God is with you.

His presence is so very real.

After your in the Christian Missionaries walk for awhile, you then begin to understand that in “suffering,” God is with you also.

With it’s extreme pain and afflictions, the emotional destruction, “He,” is with you, you cannot know God fully, and His loving kindness, and sweet saving grace, and love, unless you have trekked into these unknown areas of one’s own mind, were in your very private darkness, lies doom and dread, there, in the midst of all that might be happening to one, the “Loving Savior,” who promised you in the very beginning that, “ He would never leave you nor forsake you.” Stands with his arms outstretched saying’ “Come unto me, all [ye] that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.” 

Now, here in Reynosa Mexico, death and destruction has come, bazooka carrying Narkos (they are the bad guys, drug dealers) upon being stopped by police erupted into a a mini war, on the streets at a local plaza mall, five minutes from my house, during that day another raid went sideways by the police, as they tried to arrest another drug suspect and were meet with extreme fire power, that in fact spread into the adjoining school.

Again, I have from others that I was nuts to be here, yet the Lord and his Goodness and Grace remain, as in Thailand “He,” the Lord, has directed me to Reynosa Mexico.  Missionary Norman Oetker February 2009 Reynosa Mexico  

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Hence, this post’s beginning was to establish a wide range of divergent, anti Bible views across many cultures, and those various people groups who espouse mis-informed Christian ideals, along with their own theologies, of the current “Christian Bible With It’s Old And New Testament.”

In the beginning was God, and His plan for man’s deliverance from evil.

Each generation thereafter had a choice to accept or reject God’s plan, that was verbally handed down, for man’s deliverance from the power of evil.

This constituted the beginning of the writings after creation.

God’s chosen history, and His Gentile people, that He choose first, who in part, then became the Jewish Nation, to fulfill his promise to the first man Adam, in that the “Christ” would be the deliverer, to set man free from evil.

Moving rapidly forward to 1948 or so, we have the establishment of the WCC “World Council Of Churches.” Which in fact, is a very Liberal group, who joined together with other like minded individual groups, who have in fact, twisted, and distorted, “The Christian Bible.”

The Liberal WCC. In order to accommodate all of the variant ideals within these like minded liberal groups, have accepted these who’s so purpose is their continual attack on the inadequacies, and inequalities, of the Christian Bible, whereas they subvert the truth and replace it with the current conditions within their group.

Their, then man made traditional view’s, become their Bible truths, which is error.

The Liberal CCG legitimized, these splintered off shoots of the truth, about Bible history and it’s intent.
Quote: (The WCC)… It "cannot and should not be based on any one particular conception of the church".
Thus, the Liberal WCC is rejecting the Bible and it’s truth of God’s history and relationship with man.

Therefore, President Obama, or any other person- with a similar background -that I will describe, will have inherited characteristics in their decisional methods.

The President’s former pastor of twenty years, the Rev. Wright has a similar concept as the Minjung Theology of Korea, as well as other human based philosophies.

The Minjung Theology arose in 1948 also, after the divide of North and South Korea, is was the south that wanted and demanded more equality

Now, today the Liberal WCC has subverted essential Bible truth’s, to include “water management.” see below:

A statement on "Water for Life" issued by the WCC’s 9th Assembly in February 2006 committed the Council to "foster co-operation of churches and ecumenical partners on water concerns through participation in the Ecumenical Water Networit’sk".
Immediately after the Assembly, EWN attended an alternative event in Mexico City that challenged the March 2006 World Water Forum, which is strongly influenced by private (and transnational) companies.

Liberal theology from Germany, came also into the US., in the late 1800 and early 1900, which brought much discord to Bible Theologians here, and abroad. Liberal theology teaches that the Bible isn’t actually inspired, and in fact, to not believe even that it is the truth.

Which was refuted by the writers of the “Fundamentals.”

President Obama’s past in part.
Attended:
Columbia University, is also a Liberal college.
Harvard University, the majority being Liberal.
Work as:
Civil Rights Attorney
Twenty Years In Attending, Participating, and Financing Rev, Wright’s Group.

This now is the back drop of religion, as it applies to the now “President Of The United States.”
Racial Discrimination, and Oppression, is infused into twenty years of a “racist view,” of other races within the US.

President Obama, for twenty years was member of C.O.G.I.C. the “Church Of God In Christ.”

The COGIC is the counterpart of the Assembly Of God Church based in Missouri.

The Assembly Of God, is a Trinity Pentecostal Group when they began. The black members split off and started the COGIC, with the same Pentecostal Belief’s.

John Ashcroft of the Bush administration was a Trinity Pentecostal member of the Assembly Of God.

The COGIC drifted away from their core doctrines that they had established, to having radical extremists such as the Rev. Faragon speaking in their different churches.

The core driven belief’s of these splintered groups is, that the theology that they now have, such as the Minjung described above, becomes the spiritual catalyst, that they believe, in fact, God is with them, and that is BECAUSE they are discriminated against, and oppressed, that they in fact, have the Bible belief’s now as their proof, which is no proof, they have a theology that is based in error.

Furthermore, the liberal view of blaming others, as the source of trouble, is at the heart of the Minjung theology, that in fact, this type of theology lends credence to the inward anger and hostility, especially to other races, that they believe have wronged them.

Pentecostalism, for the most part, is a group of Christians, that have a sincere desire to serve the Lord according to the Bible.
Pentecostalism, is a very emotional experience, as many critics have pointed out. Singing, dancing, with some running the aisle is a common experience.
Pentecostals, as well as other Christian groups, for the most part, are solid, law abiding citizens’

Presidents Obama’s history lends well to this blame others, for your problems, which in many cases is justify.
However, the truth becomes distorted when reality is replace with individual ambitions.

In 20 years of church attendance, the President allowed his liberal views to be spiritualized and justified, in Rev. Wright’s environment.

This type of individual (whether the President, or a Republican or a Democrat it’s with out exception) the one who is unable to say “NO,” when the basic tenets of the Christian faith are maligned, and not to have the personal integrity to say “NO!” This type is not leadership.

In summary:
This type of person is unable to effectively lead.
His or her understanding of problems, is based on the wrong actions of others.
Effectively, not being able to solve those problems where Individual leadership is needed, such as to a new course or direction.
The past schooling, and twenty years, of a flawed religious experience, only enables one to live in hypocrisy.

Such as one acting as Christians, which one is not, by attending the racist’s teachings similar to Rev. Wright’s, which the Bible expressly forbids.

The type of democracy that was established, and has now been carried to our generation in the US., is fundamentally flawed, in these liberal type’s mindset.

They, this type of person mentioned above, has to stop the wrong actions of others, and by so doing will correct past in justices and prevent future ones.

This type of person is always thinking of problem solving. In reality, it’s not problem solving but finding fault, because this type of person has no leadership qualities.

Again, this is the basic hypocritical lead life within a church setting, or, one outside of a church setting, it becomes normal, in fact, to lead a double life, and telling all who will listen, that those in authority are the fault, and reason, why you are experiencing your current problems, this is further reinforced and justified, by false Christian teachers, such as the Rev. Wright.

There are many forms of morality and justice, however,the fact remains, that there is only one. And it comes from the “Full Christian Bible Of Both Old And New Testament.

Justice is based of the correct understanding of actions of others.

As one continues their study of the Christian Bible one begins to understand punishment for actions, and then mercy.

A person that attends a so called Christian Church, that in fact is teaching a counter productive message, is not one of leadership qualities.

Their inward direction is based on a lie.

The fact, that it is clear to one who examines the Christian Bible, that Christ isn’t teaching in any form a racist message.

This type of liberalism was used in the last century to attack the Bible, again, one only needs to read the “Fundamentals.”

This type of person isn’t capable of decisive decision making.
However, this type of person is well suited to inflame the masses for a change that needs to be made. This change IS IT by their new plan? NO. Because of their leadership? NO. The change is based on the fault and failings of others.

The person will surround himself with those who have a liberal hypocritical life and view, in that they, also will be able to find faults with the systems, that they feel has wronged them, and they then send this same message to the public.

This type of leader is very predictable, he will place around himself, those to make the plan and the tough decision.
He, then will endorse them, Because he believes in them? or those in the various cabinet positions? and others?

Why NO! When things begin to go wrong he will revert back to his old ways of blaming others, and He will do it convincingly to a point.

The President of the United States is and will be continually controlled by the Democratic party.

For me, the Democratic and Republican parties represent truth and equality
And they are in fact part of our constitutional government of the United States in which I fully support.

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The Bible Message Is Ignored Jesus Is Portrayed To Set A Certain Class Of People Free. See below:

6. Minjung Theology
The minjung theology (theology of the mass of the people) is another typical illustration. The main thrust of ecumenical theology today in Asia is toward the liberation of persons from social injustice, economic exploitation, political oppression, and racial discrimination.The minjung theology is a Korean version of liberation theology and teaches that Jesus Christ is the liberator of these oppressed people.

The Bible Used For The Reason People Suffer A Distortion.  See below:Situational Theology.
…Another type of Asian theology derives directly from a particular situation. This situational theology may not be in agreement with the biblical and historical doctrines of the Christian church, and yet it speaks to concrete situations in Asia.
…Kazoh Kitamori’s pain of God theology in Japan is an excellent illustration. He tried to demonstrate to the suffering people in Japan after their defeat in World War II that the God revealed in the Bible is the God of suffering and pain who could identify with the suffering Japanese.

 

Christ Is The Same As Krishna, Buddha.

The Bible Isn’t Necessary… Read Below: 

…Sri Ramakrishna, founder of the Ramakrishna Mission, meditated on Christ, recognized Christ’s divinity as an avatar (incarnation) of the Supreme like Krishna and Buddha, and encourages his disciples to worship Christ.

 

It’s Not Necessary To Become a Christian, This Writer States That Christ Is In One Already. See  Below:

…Raymond Panikkar in his book The Unknown Christ of Hinduism stresses that Christ already indwells the heart of a Hindu and that the mission of the church is not to bring Christ to the Hindu but to bring Christ out of him.

 

The Catholic Theologian says Catholics Believe The Same As Hindu. See Below:

…Klaus Klostermaier, a Roman Catholic theologian from German, visited Vrindaban, one of the Hindu sacred places in India, to have dialogue with Hindu gurus. After his spiritual experiences with Hindu scholars he testified, "The more I learned of Hinduism, the more surprised I grew that our theology does not offer anything essentially new to the Hindu."

 

The Bible Is Not Necessary, For Hindu Have Similar Thoughts Within.  See Below:

….M. M. Thomas, a prominent church leader both in India and in the WCC, expanded the cosmic Christ into a form of secular humanism.He interpreted salvation as man finding his true humanness so that it is no longer suppressed by social injustice, war, and poverty. Thomas said, "I cannot see any difference between the accepted missionary goal of a Christian Church expressing Christ in terms of the contemporary Hindu thought and life patterns and a Christ centered Hindu Church of Christ which transforms Hindu thought and life patterns within."

 

The Bible’s Interpretation Of Who God Is? Is Not Necessary. See below:

…The Thailand Bible Society selected the word dharma (law, duty, virtue, teaching, gospel) for the word Logos in John 1:1, because the dharma in Thai Buddhist culture is as meaningful as the Logos in the hellenistic world of NT times. In the same way Matteo Ricci, Roman Catholic Jesuit missionary to China in the sixteenth century, chose the words Tien Chu (Heavenly Lord) as the name for God because that was the popular Chinese Buddhist concept of God.

 

To Be A Christian One Must Also Believe In Buddhism. See below:

Water Buffalo Theology:
Kosume Koyama, a former Japanese missionary professor at Thailand Theological Seminary, in his Waterbuffalo Theology …. One must, therefore, emphasize good "neighborology" rather than mere Christology, because Koyama believes that every religion has positive as well as negative points and that Thai Christians must accept the positive elements of Buddhism in Thailand in order to change their life style.

 

Christ Is Not The Central Ideal In The Bible According To Third Eye Theology. See Below: 

Third Dimensional Theology
Third Eye Theology
Song Choan-Seng of Taiwan stresses a "third-dimensional theology" as seen from an Asian perspective in his book Third-Eye Theology. He says, for example, that just as the Holy Spirit works in a Westerner’s consciousness to bring about Christian conversion, so he works in the Zen Buddhists of Japan to bring about satori (enlightenment of the mind). Since the same Spirit is working in both religions, the objective of Christian missions should not be evangelization, but rather the interaction of Christian spirituality with Asian spirituality.

 

The Bible Is Not The Source Of Christian Ideals And Thought Rather Buddhism. See Below:  

Two noted theologians in Sri Lanka have had a similar interest in accommodating Buddhist terminologies and ideas to Christian theology. D. T. Niles, one of the key leaders in the East Asia Christian Conference (now Christian Conference of Asia), did not hesitate to use word such as dharma and sangha to describe Christian "doctrines" and the "body of Christ" in his Buddhism and the Claims of Christ. Lyn de Siva, a Methodist minister in Sri Lanka, believes that the teaching of earlier Buddhism on the three basic characteristics of existence, anicca (impermanence), dukkha (suffering), and anatta (no-self), provides comprehensive analysis of the human predicament that can become a basis for Christian theology.

 

God Is Particular For One Group Over Another Not The Jewish Of The Bible.  See Below.

Situational Theology.
Another type of Asian theology derives directly from a particular situation. This situational theology may not be in agreement with the biblical and historical doctrines of the Christian church, and yet it speaks to concrete situations in Asia.
Kazoh Kitamori’s pain of God theology in Japan is an excellent illustration. He tried to demonstrate to the suffering people in Japan after their defeat in World War II that the God revealed in the Bible is the God of suffering and pain who could identify with the suffering Japanese.

 

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A Chat Room Writer Writes:

I am having problem understand what this thread is leading to. Norman kept talking about Christian Faith as found in the Bible. Yet, he talked mostly about himself and how he witnesses Christianity in his life and works and if “other men” are mention he quickly brushed them aside as “off topic”.

Norm

Hola… you have a good post…Your questions beginning with, where this thread is going?

“Would You like To Ask A Christian Missionary A Question About Christian Faith, To the Insecure and Timid Your Welcome.” 

The Thread is to ask a Christian Missionary named Norman Oetker, questions about the Christian Faith, especially questions from the insecure and timid, who in fact, are highly intelligent, but face severe critics, in this chat room, as well as others, if they really speak from the deeper questions of their heart. There are those, and will be those, who attack and “bully,” others in a chat room, so that all will agree with their take on things.

This question is for everyone including Norman.

This is an off topic question, again this topic is specific to “Would You like To Ask A Christian Missionary A Question About Christian Faith, To the Insecure and Timid Your Welcome.”

 

That is: Is it possible that Norman is seeing himself as part of the Bible?

Norm

However, as to answer your very dubious question, YES, I’m part of the “Bible.”

I’m in the ongoing book of “Acts.”

The Bible hasn’t stopped, it is still ongoing through the book of Acts, not only with me but to all others who are “Believers.”

 

What I am getting at is that despite Norman’s experience with Asian communities, he is having problem understanding the important of culture and the mindset of Asian people and also he is having problem understanding some of the questions many people are placing before him.

 

Norm

Again this is of off Topic, Would You like To Ask A Christian Missionary A Question About Christian Faith, To the Insecure and Timid Your Welcome. It’s not about other belief systems.

If a missionary went into a community and converted them into Christianity the way some Protestant missionaries are doing, that is, taking away the native culture, history and mythology and accept just the Bible and their individual life experience, these people will lose the advantage. By taking away their culture, history and mythology, they can lose their identities, their kinship to other communities around them; they can also lose the experience that were passing down to them from their ancestors. By losing their identity and kinship with others, they can become easy victims for exploitation from others, especially from the missionary themselves.

 

Norm

The question is who really is exploited who? There are choices to be made by individuals, not choices by a group, for one, as is the practice in many other countries and in parts of the states

Why is kinship so important? Just look at the Bible. Jesus didn’t came into the world as a mysterious person. He can trace his family back to even as far as King David and more. Jesus didn’t reject TRADITION. He done everything according to the Jew’s tradition. He rejected the priests and Pharisees, but not their tradition.

Norm

Jesus fulfilled, and accomplished all that Jewish tradition required, He, “Jesus,”was the fulfillment of all that Judaism was being prepared for the “Messiah.”

God’s, Word’s through Moses, and the Prophet’s, was what man was to obey, both the Jew, and the Gentile who converted. NOT WHAT MAN ADDED, AS FOR AS KNOWN TRADITIONS.

 

WHY WAS THE JEW’S TRADITION SO IMPORTANT TO JESUS AND MINE ISN’T?

 

Norm

Remember. the Jews rejected “Jesus,” and all that he said, in fact these sinful Jews, make a  similar case, in the way you are here, about Jesus not following “THIER” man made “traditions.”

 

Similarly, WHY WAS THE JEW’S TRADITION SO IMPORTANT

 

Norm

God choose this group of people to bring Christ into the world. This group was originally “Gentiles.”

 

BUT THE PAST 2000 YEARS OF CHRISTIAN CULTURE, HISTORY AND TRADITION ISN’T?

 

Norm

Again, over and over Jesus rejected all of the Hypocrisy of the current traditional practices, that, the then, current leaders imposed on the people, known as their “traditions.”

 

What made you think God revealed the TRUTH to only the people in the Biblical period

 

Norm

The “Bible,” is on going, it hasn’t stopped, 2000 years in the past, I, along with millions of other “Christians,” are continuing in the book of “Acts,’ the message of Christ.

 

and went to sleep and wake up 2000 years later and chose to reveal himself to Norman

 

Norm

Norman, accepted the message of “Salvation” that was presented to him by others Christians.

 

and not to me or to the “other men”,

 

Norm

You have a choice. After you understand the plan of “Salvation,” You will either, “Accept or Reject.”

 

people like Augustine of Hippo and many other Christians.

How about Buddhists and Hindu? Is it possible God could had work similarly with them with the natural grace they were born with?

 

Norm

God is quite clear the only way of Salvation is through “Christ,” no other.

All Other, Again, All Other Religions, No Matter How Old, Are A Splintered Off Of The Original  Teachings Of Noah. Noah, only repeated what God told Adam, that He, God, would send the “Savior” into the world, to “Crush the Power of the Evil.” and this information was carry forth, it is the reason, that the generational tree is given about “Christ,” who has crushed the power of “Evil.”

You are “BORN FREE”; free from what?

 

Norm

Free to understand God’s love and forgiveness in my Life, and that I’m now His “son,” as well as millions of other Christians world wide.

 

The fact that you are a Christian born into a Western tradition, you are a part of a tradition that went back to 2000 years and it is not just Christianity, you are also a pagan and a humanist all mixed into a one big mess just like everyone else.

 

Norm

Your statement is quite truth! I would add to that “”I ‘WAS’ All Of That,Was!””

 

With all these mess that is within each of us as well as in all the whole world, how can we learn the truth?

 

Norm

Yes, you cannot learn the truth, only until God begins to draw you unto Himself, will the curtain of darkness- that you speak of- be slowly lifted.

 

And you can’t just closed your eyes and hold the Bible in your hands and say, “I believe. I believe. I believe….”

 

Norm

This statement above is incorrect, simply stating you “believe,” is not the Gospel message. The devils believe in Christ.

 

You have to put other people’s experiences into the equation.

 

Norm

This statement is incorrect, when you understand the Gospel message, it will only be between you, and God, and Christ, no other.

 

“Other men” are just as important as you.

 

Norm

Yes, Christ died for all men, so that all will have the opportunity to come to terms with the “Gospel Message Of Salvation.”

 

The truth is not just God and myself, it is about God, myself and “other men”.

 

Norm

Sorry, your incorrect, it is about you, and God, no others.

 

“Other men” includes everyone from the greatest saint to the greatest sinner on earth.

 

Norm

Sorry, your incorrect, it is about you and God, no others.

 

When you rejected the least of his brother (or sister—for many of you Christians, if you know what I mean), you are rejecting Him.

 

Norm

Your quote is incorrect, if you reject Jesus, you reject God, that is the quote.

 

Thank you for your questions to Missionary Norman Oetker Reynosa Mexico.

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I live in La Cima a

subdivision within Reynosa. I have had no trouble here and contrary to a lot of news that is going about here at least, in Reynosa, it’s quite safe.

As all sensible travelling people know, there are do’s and don’ts.

I guess someone needs to write a book about how, to be a “foreign traveler.”

I guess I would say this to all as I have travelled and worked as a Christian Missionary in South East Asia, that when one wants to go or do something, if you get an internal “red flag,” then by all means “stop!” and don’t proceed.

For example, if your planning to go to Hawaii, and you have this “red flag internally,” then postpone to another time, and the same about Mexico.

And by all means, one wouldn’t want to go to those critical areas of murder and rampage.

Furthermore, the Mexican people are a very loving, kind, and  family oriented.

It is so nice to be able to relax, and enjoy a slower pace of living.

Adios!  Norman, south of the border!  

 

 

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Free Market Trade:  

Lower the price on all goods across the board, and keep them there, for a SET TIME.

All markets will adjust, and, all will begin as it was, only at a lower level, for all components of “Free Market Trade,” will once again flourish. 

 

…as I have shopped around, there are some good deals, but, for the most part, the products are yet price at a high range.

Still demanding one to pay more, there are incentives and rebates for you, but the basics appears to be the same "high prices."

I’m no expert by far, but, it seems to me that the banks have the money to loan, but they are afraid that the clients will not be able to pay it back over the long run…so they are just being conservative.

The banks have been given low interest availability loans, that they can receive from the Fed’s.  

The housing problem was simply caused by client corruption (lying on applications about income), and greed (to make a buck.).

Off course, the clients won’t accept responsibility, so they blame the banks…on and on (victim syndrome.)

The product (house) being overpriced, a similar problem with cars, and manufactured goods, there are incentives to buy, but the products are still priced high.

The basic free market supply and demand is out of balance.

As in other countries, the basic prices are at an agreed fixed price by the free trade of the common market of an area.

Then those who sell  luxury items, what ever one considers that to be, payments come into to play, through credit, plastic, personal notes, and or, monthly installments, whatever. 

As we know many of the products are manufactured outside of the US. and that cost is low to the manufacture.

The unionized assembly workers in US,( as well as other trades, union or non union) who assemble, some of those low manufactured parts, demand wages and benefits’.

Greed, on the individual level, in the US., from the common worker’s, to the higher ups, who and what ever they do, or what they run.

 

Greed, the desire for more and more above what one actually needs.

Greed, to obtain at any cost, at the expense of others, or, as in our case here in the US., greed is still very much in control, and it is our country that is at an economical peril.

 

The free market engine has been chugging along, and has, in the past been adjusting to the supply and demand situation.

It is out of balance now, there is an ample supply of goods, but a lesser demand or no demand for them.

 

In my opinion it is based on the "out of balance," being, the "Greed of the Multitudes within the US"

Greed will cause the system to collapsed, greed and greed alone.

 

The Presidents coming policies are anti free trade market principles, which has been the economic success in America.

 

Many, of the companies that have been laying off workers, and that have been generally down sizing, and along with moving basic individual corporations within their domain, in a shuffling of their operations, to outside countries.

You might want to asked why is all of this happening right now?

The answer lies in basic lawful business practices.

The company is formed to be profitable, and if one can buy parts from one country, at a good price, and other parts from another country, and then have yet, another country, that allows all of these imported goods to come into their country with no taxes applied, to these imported products.

This is what Mexico has done and is doing.

Mexico “EXPORTED, EXPORTED around 60 BILLION US. DOLLARS last year.

Mexico, has business’s from around the world, they assemble and there is some manufacturing in their country. 

These different International companies are then making money. All involved (workers) received economic benefit.

 

Now the President has a different view on things, and I want to share something that I have been personally involved with that does directly relate to the “President Of The United States.”

As a Christian Missionary, I served and worked in Fresno CA. US. for eight years, working and living within the South East Asian Refugee Community sharing "Jesus."

I have worked with the Mong/Hmong, Lao, Meew, Cambodian, Vietnamese, Mexican, Blacks, And Whites.

The South East Asian Gangs where feared by all, one their rivals was the Blacks.

 

Attending various Christian churches within these groups, and, for about 2 years, I was directly involved with a Black Church.

I was directed to be part of this particular group, to better understand their plight in America.

It was a wonderful experience to see the "Love of Jesus," within it’s members. 

This particular denomination was the C.O.G.I.C., “The Church Of God In Christ.”

 

At, and around the ending of my time with them, I was “SHOCKED!” to read posters, and to see that a different local COGIC had invited a guest speaker, the

 

Black Muslims Leader Lewis Faragon.

 

Before attending the COGIC, I researched it’s history, doctrines, current belief’s, and practices.

And I can can assure you, that the COGIC founder’s would roll over in their graves, upon hearing, that this Black Muslim Leader Lewis Faragon , who is a stated racist, and has extremist racist, bigoted belief’s, was to be honor at the church.

Lewis Faragon Para- military style takeover in poor black areas, was accomplished through neighborhood watch programs which was active in recruitments to these far out racist groups,who have in the past, and by other names, one well known being, “The Black Panthers,” as well as others, have continually prey upon those, in their  low economical plight.

Much the same in Africa, Asia, South East Asia, the Middle East, Worldwide.

 

“The Lewis Faragon’s Muslim World Is Based On Race Based Hate. ”

The Rev.Wright’s race based hate message is similar to Lewis Faragon.

REV. WRIGHT’S CHURCH IS A …C.O.G.I.C.

 

The Free Market Capitalist System, Commonly, But Mistakenly Assumed To Be, Control In Total By “Whites.”

(A Note For You Information, The World’s Economic Watchers Fear The Chinese! Why? The Chinese Are Probably The Best Business People Of The World. Wherever They Are “Business’s Blossom” And They Are Feared, And Envied, Not Because Of Gang Activities, But Because Of Their Strict Practical Business Policies, Over The Local Within Any Given Country, They Are Most Frugal , If One becomes A Friend, They Will Remain Loyal To That Friendship.”

 

This systems is the blame, especially this “white” controlled systems, is portrayed as the evil product, of the white man to destroy and keep the Black man down.

This is the foundation of this “race hate gospel,” that the President of the United States, was part of, before coming the President, Him and His wife willingly, participated, and financed, this radical racist agenda for twenty years.. 

 

The free marketers’ have been shifting many of their operations out of the US., simply, because they understand that this President is not favorable to “Business.”  To this “The Free Market Capitalist System, Commonly, But Mistakenly Assumed To Be, Control In Total By “Whites.”

The “TAXING POLICIES ARE GOING TO BE CHANGING,” and those business’s who are able, are positioning their business’s projects outside, of this soon, to be very invasive and anti free market policies of the current administration.

One needs to bare in mind, that the President of The United States for twenty years absorbed, listened, participated, and financed,  and furthermore wanted spiritual blessing, for himself, his wife, and children, from a racist bigoted individual, the Rev. Wright, who was the pastor of the C.O.G.I.C.

The President is “NOT” the voice of the people, but is a voice of what he is comfortable with, and it is “deception in order to gain control of a group and through that the masses.”

 

My opinion is the the President will eventually be stopped by the “Democratic Party.”

A good part of the US Citizenry  will embrace the policies because of “one reason,” “government money in their hands.”

I think, my hunch, that unbeknownst to the general public, and to the majority of both parties, that a power group within the Democratic party, will in fact, subvert the President lopsided agenda.

They will allowed the continual policies of blaming others when it suits their needs.

Their are now powers that be that want change, and change, through policy, that will dismantle parts of the free market trade polices. Which has been the backbone of the American Economic Engine.

However, those within the Democratic Party, are not going to Advance Race Based Policies, that will eventually loose them their seats of POWER.

Part of All Politics is PR And Deception.

 

Furthermore:

There are those for example, from many countries Africa, Somalia, the Middle East and Others, who have a very demeaning attitude toward the US. and their Presidents  and yet, it has been the US. Presidencies,  and the Peoples Of The United States, that have worked under the supply and demand economics,  and the free market trade policies, that have funneled millions upon millions of US. dollars in AID into the continent of Africa, as well as others.

 

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