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Grace Victory MEO L.A.M. Norman Oetker Missionary "The Light Amidst the Mong/MEO" Hmong Thailand,Reynosa Mexico,English Class, St. Charles Missouri US. 

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October 24, 2009 Just a note before bringing this previous article from last year’s blog to this month.
 
Christians are New Creatures in Christ. We, the Christians, are not the same person as before, if one isn’t changed then one wasn’t born again by the Holy Spirit of God. When are the Christians going to stop whining about all of their woe! It seems all that one hears from the religionists leaderships, is to draw the continual parallel how that we are failures in the things of God, we have missed this are that, and we are to continually, week after week, year after year, confess our inward secret sins repeatedly. We are slaves to our sinful passions as long as we are in these sinful bodies here on earth.
 
Hello!!! is this it ?? As a Christian?
 
Look at all the Christian self help, awareness, unveiling, how to books, every sympathy plan known to man in trying to get support funds.
 
Christians are lead to believe they are just a helpless lot, and that their true purpose, is to give used cloths to some poor person, are to give food to the hungry, this in their mind is the emblem of their Christian humility.
 
We are a different person, made different by God’s power, by us agreeing,with a repentant heart to God’s terms through the Cross of Christ.
 
We are different! we are a ""NEW CREATURE IN CHRIST""
 
Break free Christian of this continual "YOKE  Of  BONDAGE," You are free! believe "Jesus!"
 
Walk in the Promises, stop believing the religionists, you are a "New Creature In Christ."
 
Stop living as a secret failure as a Christian!
 
Stop thinking that somehow in the future your going to become what God wants you to be! You are that now, in God’s eyes! Walk in the Christian New Testament, New Covenant promises, not in some future emotional wish list! of what you think your going to be…Believe  Jesus! trust Jesus! You are as He, Jesus says, "a NEW Creature!" not new in Sin!
 
But, A new creature In Christ
 
 Believe, walk, talk, to-be what Jesus- By His Power alone that emanates from His precious Atonement- freely gives to all that ask, the opportunity to become a new creature in Him, In Christ! Grace, Grace thank you Jesus! Praises to You!
 
Believe the Bible, you are not the first century person, that the bible talks about and too.
 
You are the continual, ongoing, Living Book Of Acts! 
 
Believe God! ….Believe Jesus! …. Believe The Bible! …..
 
Follow The Teachings Of The New Covenant/Testament Writer’s
 
Christ, the Apostles, and the Evangelists.
 
YOU ARE A NEW PERSON, A NEW CREATURE IN CHRIST! BELIEVE JESUS! 
 
N. Oetker Christian Missionary Serving in Reynosa Mexico October 2009
 
 
 
Is Grace Earned By Christians By Acts Of Humility? A Review. 
  • Many Years In The Past, During A Sunday School Class, I got a checked in my Spirit about a statement that was made. Eventually, through the years I have recognized that "check"’ as an inward witness from the Holy Spirit, indicating that something wasn’t correct in what was being said.

  • Back then, and even more so now, I  spent, and spend, a lot of time researching things and sure enough you would find the error. More importantly, the error found, would be based on it’s contradictions to the Bible, not through man’s current theologies. The example I want to give starts like this, "We are God’s People."

  • Consequently, from this statement a general message evolves, that as the people in the Old Testament where God’s people, so today, we are God’s people. (The everyday church going people.)

  • The Blessing’s of God are our rights’s, As the Jewish People thought. 

  • Based on this simple repetitive statement by religious leaders to their religious people, this people begin to have a false since of security.  

  • Theretofore, the next step is easy to believe, that as God was the great protector of the Old Testament thus, He will protect them, if  they will keep His commands. 

  • This error continues…

  • We are God’s Children, and, if we obey God, by doing things for Him, then "God" will take care of everything for us.

  • Our erroneous performance based actions insures us of those blessings.

  • The error continues… 

  • For us to receive "Grace," we need to do something.

  • The Prosperity message is based in a similar concept, it normally goes something like this, that we have a sort of contract with God.

  • If we do our part in this contract arrangement then God is obligated to do His part. 

  • For example, if I do this service, or give this much: time, effort, money, then God is under His own Word to give back to me this, and so much more, strictly a contractual arrangement.

  • I do, give etc. and God gives back in a more bountiful measure.

  • I receive because I have done something to earn it or to receive it.

     

    • God is sovereign, and "He, God and He" alone, can and will do what He so desires.

    • We know that Mercies and Truth’s are God’s given from generation to generation.. 

         

             Quote from the article under review which is below. "God’s grace is accessed through humility and faith."  

    • No, it’s not, we have nothing to do with accessing God’s Grace. It’s from God and God alone. This ideal is very difficult for most to realize.

    • Furthermore, this is simply a miss applied meaning of Grace in scripture, in fact, it is contrary to the trueness about the Bible doctrine of salvation by Grace.

    • This miss-applied application about Grace, is in fact, a law based concept.

    • Why is this so popular? Why does it have a large following? Why is it taught and preached?

    • Man is a law based creature, man general thinks you get what you deserve attitude.

    • I will determine to be humble therefore, I’ll receive God’s Grace.

        This thread plays out like this …being God’s children, as demonstrated over and over with Old Testament examples, then we, the children of the New Testament deserve this or that. Why? because we have done this and that, or we have acted in our minds, in humility or this way in faith; thus, we receive from our performance based actions, which in our mind seems right.

    • In short, this ideal that has been taught over and over. That we, the religionists deserve… something because of who we are, because of the actions that we performed, whether they be mental or physical (humility or faith.)

    • This concept, which is  sad to say, is embraced in most of Christendom.

    • It is an error, and the explanations of Grace given in the writings under review below, are incorrect, and are theologically based, not biblically.

    • Grace from God is not based on our actions.

    • Grace is God’s, and it’s given in abundant measure, from His heart, His love, and His kindness, to wards man, whom He created in His image. 

    • N. Oetker… I have included one of the excellent articles on Grace from the Fundamentals.
    •   Then after this Fundamental article on Grace below, the article in review continues.
    •   Fundamentals
    • http://blueletterbible.org/Comm/fundamentals/44.html
    • "The Grace of God"By C. I. Scofield, D. D.
    • "Grace" is an English word used in the New Testament to translate the Greek word, Charis, which means "favor," without recompense or equivalent. If there is any compensatory act or payment, however slight or inadequate, it is "no more grace"—Charis.
    • When used to denote a certain attitude or act of God toward man it is therefore of the very essence of the matter that human merit or deserving is utterly excluded. In grace God acts out from Himself, toward those who have deserved, not His favor, but His wrath. In the structure of the Epistle to the Romans grace does not enter, could not enter, till a whole race, without one single exception, stands guilty and speechless before God. …  
    • The Three Errors
    • In the Epistle to the Galatians the Holy Spirit through Paul meets and answers the three great errors into which in different degrees, theological systems have fallen.
    • The course of this demonstration is like the resistless march of an armed host. Nothing can stand before it. The reasonings of ancient and modern legalists are scattered like the chaff of the summer threshing floor.
    • We have, most of us, been reared and now live under the influence of Galatianism. Protestant theology, alas, is for the most part, thoroughly Galatianized, in that neither law nor grace are given their distinct and separated places, as in the counsels of God, but are mingled together in one incoherent system. The law is no longer, as in the Divine intent, a ministration of death (2 Corinthians 3:7), of cursing (Galatians 3:10), of conviction (Romans 3:19), because we are taught that we must try to keep it, and that by Divine help we may. Nor, on the other hand, does grace bring us blessed deliverance from the dominion of sin, for we are kept under the law as a rule of life despite the plain declaration, "Sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace" (Romans 6:14).
    • The First Error
    • The Spirit first meets the contention that justification is partly by lawworks and partly by faith through grace (Galatians 2:5 to 3:24).
    • The steps are:
    • 1. Even the Jews, who are not like the Gentiles, hopeless, "and without God in the world" (Ephesians 2:12), but already in covenant relations with God, even they, "knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ" (Galatians 2:15,16), have believed; "for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified."
    • 2. The law has executed its sentence upon the believer (Galatians 2:19); death has freed him. Identified with Christ’s death by faith, he, in the reckoning of God, died with Christ (Romans 6:3-10; 7:4).
    • 3. But righteousness is by faith, not by law (Galatians 2:21).
    • 4. The Holy Spirit is given to faith, not law-works (Galatians 3:1-9).
    • 5. "As many as are of the works of the law are under the curse"—and the reason is given: "Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them" (Galatians 3:10). The law, then, cannot "help", but can only do its great and necessary work of condemnation (Romans 3:19,20; 2 Corinthians 3:7,9; Galatians 3:19; James 2:10).
    • Elsewhere (Romans 5:1-5) the Spirit, by the same Apostle, sums up the results of justification by faith with every semblance of human merit carefully excluded. Grace, through faith in Jesus Christ, has brought the believer into peace with God, a standing in grace, and assured hope of glory. Tribulation can but serve to develop in him new graces. The very love that saved him through grace now fills his heart; the Holy Spirit is given him, and he joys in God. And all by grace, through faith!
    • The Second Error
    • The Spirit next meets and refutes the second great error concerning the relations of law and grace—the notion that the believer, though assuredly justified by faith through grace wholly without law-works, is, after justification, put under law as a rule of life.
    • This is the current form of the Galatian error. From Luther down, Protestantism has consistently held to justification by faith through grace. Most inconsistently Protestant theology has held to the second form of Galatianism.
    • An entire section of the Epistle to the Romans, and two chapters of Galatians are devoted to the refutation of this error, and to the setting forth of the true rule of the believer’s life. Romans 6, 7, 8, and Galatians 4 and 5, set forth the new Gospel of the believer’s standing in grace.
    • Romans 6:14 states the new principle: "For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace." The Apostle is not here speaking of the justification of a sinner, but of the deliverance of a saint from the dominion of indwelling sin. In Galatians, after showing that the law had been to the Jew like the pedagogue in a Greek or Roman household, a ruler of children in their nonage (Galatians 3:23,24) the Apostle says explicitly (ver. 25), "But after that faith has come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster" (pedagogue).
    • No evasion is possible here. The pedagogue is the law (3:24); faith justifies; but the faith which justifies also ends the rule of the pedagogue. Modern theology says that after justification we are under the pedagogue. Here is a clear issue, an absolute contradiction between the Word of God and theology. Which do you side with?
    • Equally futile is the timorous gloss that this whole profound discussion in Romans and Galatians relates to the ceremonial law. No Gentile could observe the ceremonial law. Even the Jews, since the destruction of the temple, A.D. 70, have not found it possible to keep the ceremonial law except in a few particulars of diet. It is not the ceremonial law which says, "Thou shalt not covet" (comp. Romans 7:7-9).
    • The believer is separated by death and resurrection from Mosaism (Romans 6:3-15; 7:1-6; Galatians 4:19-31). The fact remains immutable that to God he is, as to the law, an executed criminal. Justice has been completely vindicated, an it is no longer possible even to bring an accusation against him (Romans 8:33,34).
    • It is not possible to know Gospel liberty, or Gospel holiness, until this great fundamental truth is clearly, bravely grasped. One may be a Christian and a worthy and useful man, and be still under bondage to the law, but one can never have deliverance from the dominion of sin, nor know the true blessedness and rest of the Gospel and remain under the law. Therefore, once more, note that it is death which has broken the connection between the believer and the law. "The law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth" (Romans 7:1). "But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held" (Romans 7:6). Nothing can be clearer.
    • But I hasten to add that there is a mere carnal and fleshly way of looking at our deliverance from the law, which is most unscriptural, and I am persuaded, most dishonoring to God. It consists in rejoicing in a supposed deliverance from the principle of Divine authority over the life—a deliverance into mere self-will and lawlessness.
    • The true ground of rejoicing is quite other than this. The truth is, a Christian may get on after a sort under law as a rule of life. Not apprehending that the law is anything more than an ideal, he feels a kind of pious complacency in "consenting unto the law that it is good," and more or less languidly hoping that in the future he may succeed better in keeping it than in the past. So treated, the law is wholly robbed of its terror. Like a sword carefully fastened in its scabbard, the law no longer cuts into the conscience. It is forgotten that the law offers absolutely but two alternatives exact obedience, always, in all things, or a curse. There is no third voice. "Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them" (Galatians 3:10; James 2:10). The law has but one voice: "What things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law; that every mouth may be stopped and all the world may become guilty before God" (Romans 3:19). The law, in other words, never says: "Try to do better next time." Of this the antinomian legalist seems entirely unaware.
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    • N. Oetker Missionary…below is the article in review, please remember it is the miss-application of ‘Grace.’ that is the review.
    • "Access to Grace through Humility and Faith." N. Oetker one cannot receive Grace by their actions, mental or physical. 
    • N. Oetker English Class Comments October 2008 Reynosa.
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    • God’s Grace First Draws One To The Saving Knowledge Of Christ. Then, That Individual, if she or he so desires from a repentant heart, Will, Yield Their Mind, And Heart, For The Acceptance Of "Jesus," As Their Personal Lord And Savior.
    • The Atoning Work Of The Cross By Faith Is Applied To His Sin’s, His Guilt, And  Then Sin’s Condemnations Are Removed, Then and Only Then, Is One Converted.
    • Being Humble as a Little Child, can Only Be Accomplished By God’s Grace.
    • God’s Grace First Drawing One to the Cross, In Their Decision To Accept Christ.
    • Only Through God’s Grace Can That Process Begin.
    • And Being Humbled Can Only Be Accomplished By A Converted Person. For All Are Dead In Their Trespasses And Sin’s, Until They Are Converted.
    • 1 ¶  At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?
    • 2  And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,
    • 3  And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
    • 4  Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
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    • God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble…through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand.
    • James 4:6; Romans 5:2
    • N. Oetker  October 2008 Reynosa.
    • The face value of the above statement "God resist the proud," one needs to stay within Biblical Context.
    • Jesus purpose is not to condemn, but to save mankind.
    • The way in which this sentence above is written is incorrect, compared to scripture below.
    • James 4:I-10. it is plain to see God does not say he gives Grace to the humbled person, look closely no matter how much sin is going on Verse 6, God gives more Grace.
    • To His converted person to overcome, Grace is available before any actions of Man are taken, either by the prideful or the humbled.
    • It’s available to the converted, however, if one is to proud to trust the Lord during his trials and testing, then this; prideful person isn’t receiving that which is abundantly available to him, "GRACE, WHICH IS GOD’S MERCY, COMPASSION, KINDNESS, AND ENDEARMENT TO US, WITHOUT MEASURE FROM A HOLY GOD."
    • Nevertheless, man then realizes that only God can help him, and then man’s dependance on Him. Man, throught trials is then humbled,  by that which he goes through. Because man understands, he could not sustain victory, if Grace’s Standard wasn’t raised and planned by God in His eternal salvation through Calvary’s cross, for the converted, to cling to, to hug tightly, and to hold on, at the nail scarred feet of our Blessed Savior… Praise Be Forever ! For Our Blessed Redeemer, Who Forgives All that Will But Come To Calvary’s Cross. .
    • God has in abundant measures of Grace to all. 
    • I believe that God’s Grace will eventually break through a converted heart that has become prideful.
    • For God’s ultimate plan is to Save all of his Children as Christ said to the Father " I have not lost that which you gave to me."
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    • James 4:1-10
    • 1 ¶  From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members?
    • 2  Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not.
    • 3  Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.
    • 4  Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.
    • 5  Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy?
    • 6  But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.
    • 7  Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
    • 8  Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.
    • 9  Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness.
    • 10  Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up
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    • N. Oetker Comments October 2008 Reynosa Comments Below on Romans 5:2 From Article.
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    • God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble…through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand.
    • James 4:6; Romans 5:2
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    • …"we have access by faith into this grace.
    • Nevertheless, it needs to be brought into the open the implication of the above statement, for this is how it appears in it’s entirety.
    • Man is portrayed as being proud and thus, no blessings from God, if a man will be humbled he will have blessings. Now let’s look at the scriptures in it’s entirety in instead of this one verse only.
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    • Romans 5:1-5
    • 1 ¶  Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
      2  By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
      3  And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
      4  And patience, experience; and experience, hope:
      5  And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
      6 ¶
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    • N. Oetker October 2008 Reynosa Comments Below on Romans 5:1-5 From Article.
    • The Converted Have Peace With God.
    • Grace Brought Us To The Knowledge Christ.
    • Grace Gives Us The Faith To Believe.
    • Grace Given During Trials And Temptations Thus Enabling Us To Be, "More Than A Conquer Through Christ Who Dwells Within." 
    • N. Oetker. As one reads this author, and those who think likewise. The author’s views on Grace and it’s attainment by us is done by our actions, our works, which is incorrect. This isn’t the correct interpretation of God’s Grace and it’s practical application to our lives. Yet the majority, of nominal Christian religionists accept this view.
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    • MEO L.A.M. Norman Oetker Missionary "The Light Amidst the Mong/MEO" Hmong Thailand, Reynosa Mexico, English Class, St. Charles Missouri US.


    • Part 2 Baptism Of Holy Spirit MEO L.A.M. Norman Oetker Missionary “The Light Amidst the Mong/MEO” Hmong Thailand, Reynosa Mexico, English Class, St. Charles Missouri US.

      Part 2
      Baptism Of Holy Spirit MEO L.A.M. Norman Oetker Missionary "The Light Amidst the Mong/MEO" Hmong Thailand, Reynosa Mexico, English Class, St. Charles Missouri US.

       WANTED… A WRITER FOR A BOOK ON MY LIFE AS A CHRISTIAN MISSIONARY

      CONTACT: normanoetker@hotmail.com  October 2009

       
       
       
       The Gifts of God. 
        
      Part 2  

      One desiring God’s Gifts, needs first to become a Christian.  A repentant heart, the acceptance of Jesus into their heart and life. The practical demonstration in their daily life, of the teachings of Christ, and the Apostles, and Evangelists.

      Accepting only the Christian Bible, of the Old and New Covenant/Testaments, as the rule of Faith, none other.

       

      Understanding God’s Plan for man:

      The Old Testament Law, was holy and pure, this holy and pure Law wasn’t known to the barbaric Hebrew peoples.

      Upon this rebellious group being freed from Egypt, by God’s power, with God’s choice of leadership in Moses.

      God, was then able to continue to prepare the people, for His future Son to come, as the Messiah to the World. 

      Purposed for the freeing of man, from his Original Sin, which had been past down to all people, by the first man, Adam.

      God instructed Moses of His Plan, for the preparation of the Hebrews, for the coming of the Messiah, through the giving of the "Law," that was given to Moses. One must remember, that when the Hebrews were lead from slavery, by the Power of God, how did they show God reverence? they made a golden calf and worshiped it! and in the end, because of their obstinence and inward, along with demonstrative outward attitudes, that entire generation died in the wilderness. Thereafter, God’s Plan continued with those, who choose to believe and trust in their delivering God.

      The Law thus began it’s true purpose, and that was in part, to instruct these barbarians, these Hebrews, into living a totally different type of lifestyle, to thinking of their God and fellow man in a new and complete light.  Furthermore, it was foreign to them, and, as a matter of fact, to all of the peoples of the known world, of how to live a pleasing life to God. 

      Accordingly, this paradigm, the "LAW" was an introduction to some of the following: honoring the beauty, perfection, and purity to wards God, virtue, humility, to have a contrite and humble spirit,  one needs to be slow to anger, lusts,and  lewdness of all kinds forbidden, along with gluttony, drunkenness, to not covet, not to oppress others, all violence, oppression, and fraud, forbidden. The Law is the defender of the poor and oppressed, thou shalt not hate thy brother, not avenge, or bear a grudge against your people, to help the stranger, or sojourner, thou shall love thy neighbor, If thy enemy be hungry feed him, or thirsty give him drink,etc… 

        The Law was good and perfect for the purposes that it was designed for, to civilize the Hebrews, for the preparation, in the receiving of the coming Messiah.

       Now, the Hebrews, at that time, had no ideal what they were being lead into, into a transformation of their total being, their mind, their heart and their soul. The Law and it’s affects, was God’s plan to wards all of humanity, it was the birthing of civilized civilization as we now know today.  God’s timing, God’s Providence.

       God’s timing, God’s Providence in the 1st. and 2nd. centuries.

      As the new Christians, of the first and second centuries A.D. began to understand God’s plan unfolding in their lives, they soon,-  through Grace and Prayer,- began to understand about God, through God directing their understanding’s about the Personage of God.

      In the formation and  of the three person in one God doctrine. Or, Of one, substance. 

      1. The Father, the first person of the Trinity.

           1a. Then, the Father said from Heaven, as Jesus was being baptized, that this was His Son, in whom He was well pleased.

      2. The Son, the second person of the Trinity.

           2a. Jesus said He was God.

      3. The Holy Spirit, the third person of the Trinity

            3a. Then upon Jesus leaving this earth and returning to the seat of holiness and honor, at the right hand of the Father.

          Jesus told the Apostles, and those gathered with them, to wait for the Holy Spirit to come upon them in Jerusalem,  which in fact, happened.

      Then, when Jesus told His disciples to go and baptize the new converts, "In the name Of The Father, In Name Of The Son, And In The Name Of The Holy Spirit. The Christian believers, then, in the second and third centuries, where able to understand the cornerstone of God’s relationship to man.

      As a result, the cornerstone, that was laid centuries after the risen Christ, was now the cornerstone, to the Christian faith, "The Trinity." This concept of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit, being of the same substance, was clarified by the use of the name "Trinity," the word Trinity, is not in the Bible.

      The reason is simple, it was realized and understood after the fact. God’s providence, had that critical part, that revelation of His Godhead, to be known, in order to prepare for the next part of His Divine Plan.   

      God’s timing, God’s Providence, about the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. 

      This description of the Holy Ghost Baptism can be best understood by reading Parts One, and Two, from the Assembly Of God’s General Council, beginning below.

      God’s Timing To Receive This Additional Gift Of The Baptism Of The Holy Spirit, After Becoming A Christian, That Timing, God’s Providence Is For Now! "Asked And You Shall Receive." 

      Norman Oetker Christian Missionary October 2009

      Frequently Asked Questions

       

      Questions are often raised about the doctrine of baptism in the Holy Spirit. The following are a few
      of the more frequently asked questions.

      1. Is the Book of Acts intended to be history or theology, and can doctrine be based on less than
      declarative statements?

      The Bible itself responds to this question. The Holy Spirit inspired Paul to write, “All Scripture is
      given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine” (2 Timothy 3:16, KJV). Again Paul wrote,
      “Whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning” (Romans 15:4, KJV). After
      recounting Old Testament events that happened to the Israelites, Paul says, “These things happened to
      them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the fulfillment of the ages has
      come” (1 Corinthians 10:11).

      While doctrine should not be based on isolated fragments of Scripture, it can be based on substantial,
      implied truth. The doctrine of the Trinity is based not on declarative statement, but on a comparison of
      Scripture passages relating to the Godhead. Like the doctrine of the Trinity, the doctrine of tongues as
      evidence of the baptism in the Holy Spirit is based on substantial portions of Scripture relating to this
      subject. It is evident Peter and the church leaders in Jerusalem established doctrine based on repeated
      experiences of the Spirit understood to be the fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy. They recognized
      tongues as evidence of people being filled with the Spirit (Acts 10,11). The weight of the biblical text,
      both in quantity and frequency, provides a solid base for doctrinal formulation.

       

      Luke’s writings (Luke and Acts) clearly present more than just history. While Luke describes his
      Gospel as a “narrative” (Greek diegesis—Luke 1:1) written to be “accurate” and “orderly” (1:3), the way he
      selects items to include and his editorial and narrative comments reveal an author with an agenda to
      advance the cause of Christ. Luke is clearly a Christian. In fact, today there is an overwhelming consensus
      among New Testament scholars that Luke is a theologian, not just a historian. For those interested in
      learning more about Luke and Acts as inspired historical narratives that also teach theology, we recommend
      Roger Stronstad’s Charismatic Theology of St. Luke (Hendrickson, 1984).

       

      2. Isn’t baptism in the Holy Spirit connected with water baptism in some special way? Since water
      baptism is a witness to one’s faith in Christ and the reception of God’s saving grace, isn’t Spirit
      baptism also associated with salvation?
       

      The answer to both questions is no. The theology of the Spirit presented in Acts emphasizes the
      empowering of believers by the Spirit for effective witness and the utterance of inspired speech. Only by
      wrongly imposing Paul’s theology of the Spirit (never intended to stand apart from the remainder of
      biblical revelation) upon Luke’s Gospel and Acts can baptism in the Holy Spirit be associated with
      personal conversion, spiritual renewal, or ethical transformation. In short, baptism in the Holy Spirit is a
      gift given to those who are already Christians. It does not make people Christians.

       

      3. Isn’t speaking in tongues a phenomenon that belonged only to the apostolic period? Did not
      Paul say that tongues “shall cease” (1 Corinthians 13:8)?

      First Corinthians 13:10 says, “When that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be
      done away” (NKJV). This does not imply, however, that speaking in tongues would be in effect only
      during the apostolic period or until the New Testament canon had been completed, as some have
      suggested. Clearly the arrival of “the perfect” is connected in some way with the second coming of Christ
      and the perfect establishment of God’s kingdom in which God’s will shall “be done on earth as it is in
      heaven.” Paul also indicated that at the time when tongues shall cease, knowledge shall also vanish away

       

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      and prophecies shall fail (1 Corinthians 13:8). If knowledge and prophecy are necessary and available to the
      Church today, then speaking in tongues is as well.

       

      4. When Paul wrote, “Not all speak with tongues, do they?” (1 Corinthians 12:30), does this not
      contradict the teaching that all should expect to speak in tongues as evidence of baptism in the
      Holy Spirit?

       

      To understand 1 Corinthians 12:30 one must recognize the various functions of speaking with
      tongues. Speaking with tongues serves as the initial physical evidence of the baptism in the Spirit (Acts
      2:4; 10:46). Speaking or praying with tongues in private is for personal edification (1 Corinthians 14:4).
      And speaking with tongues in the congregation, accompanied by interpretation of tongues, is for the
      edification of the Church (1 Corinthians 12:4–11, 14:5).
       

      There is no contradiction between Paul’s desire that all speak with tongues (1 Corinthians 14:5) and
      the implication of his rhetorical question in 1 Corinthians 12:30, since different contexts are in view.

      These contrasting contexts are highlighted in 1 Corinthians 14:18,19: “I thank God that I speak in tongues
      more than all of you. But in the church . . .” Here private tongues are contrasted with public tongues (that
      is, in a worship service).

       

      Paul recognizes that the Corinthian believers prayed quite frequently in tongues, so frequently in fact
      that congregational meetings had been disrupted because the distinction between tongues appropriate in
      public and tongues appropriate only in private prayer had not been observed. To address the potential for
      disruption, Paul limits the public exercise of tongues while encouraging private prayer in tongues (1
      Corinthians 14:18, 19,27,28). Thus private prayer in tongues is encouraged for “all” (1 Corinthians 14:5),
      with Paul’s own practice as a model (1 Corinthians 14:18), but “not all” pray publicly in tongues in church
      meetings (1 Corinthians 12:30; 14:27,28). Only those to whom the gift of tongues has been apportioned
      by the Spirit are to speak in tongues publicly (1 Corinthians 12:10,11) and such tongues must always be
      interpreted (1 Corinthians 14:27). Private tongues, on the other hand, do not require interpretation, for even
      without interpretation the one who prays in tongues privately is edified (1 Corinthians 14:4).

       

      When examined in context, any apparent contradiction between Paul’s teaching in 1 Corinthians
      12:30 and the Pentecostal expectation that all Spirit-baptized believers will speak in tongues quickly
      evaporates. Instead of contradiction, we find complementary truth.

      5. If speaking with tongues either as evidence or gift is scriptural, why were there periods in
      church history when the phenomenon seemed to be absent?

      The possibility exists that any biblical doctrine can suffer from neglect. In fact, great spiritual
      renewals have often been accompanied by the revival of doctrine. For example, the doctrine of justification
      by faith was almost completely lost until the time of the Reformation, when Martin Luther and others
      reemphasized this biblical truth. The doctrine of sanctification had suffered neglect until the time of the
      Wesleyan Revival, when it was again brought to the attention of the Church. While the truth of the
      baptism in the Holy Spirit and speaking with tongues has appeared in revivals throughout Church history,
      it did not have the emphasis it has received in the present revival.

       

      Just as there were those who opposed the revival of the doctrines of justification by faith and
      sanctification, there are those who oppose the revival of the doctrine of the baptism in the Holy Spirit with
      the initial physical evidence of speaking in tongues. The fact some refuse to accept a doctrine, however,
      does not make it unscriptural. The instruction for believers is to “prove all things; hold fast that which is
      good” (1 Thessalonians 5:21). The basis of the testing is not human opinion but the Word of God (Acts
      17:11).

       

      6. In teaching the doctrine of tongues as evidence of the baptism in the Holy Spirit is there a danger
      that people will seek for tongues rather than the actual baptism in the Holy Spirit?

      Unfortunately this is a possibility, but the abuse of a doctrine does not invalidate the doctrine.
      Abuses and counterfeits, rather than disproving a doctrine, help to establish the importance of the genuine.
      While speaking in tongues accompanies the baptism in the Holy Spirit, it is important to remember Jesus’
      command to the disciples was to wait until they were filled with the Spirit. The emphasis must always be
      on seeking to be filled with the Spirit. Tongues will naturally accompany the experience.

       

      7. If people speak in tongues, will there not be a temptation to spiritual pride?
       

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      When people truly understand the baptism in the Holy Spirit, it will result in humility instead of
      pride. Believers are baptized in the Spirit not because of personal worthiness, but to empower them for
      service and a more meaningful life. The baptism in the Spirit is received by faith and not because of
      meritorious works. It cannot be earned or bought. Like all gifts of God it is by grace through faith.

      Baptism in the Spirit does not guarantee spiritual maturity. Paul’s need to rebuke the Christians at Corinth
      provides clear evidence of that. The cultivation of fruit of the Spirit and a sanctified life are the real
      indicators of spiritual maturity.

       

      8. What about truly born-again people who have accomplished great things for the Lord but do
      not speak in tongues?

      Without question, some believers who do not speak in tongues have accomplished great things for
      God. However, every student of Scripture must determine whether to base doctrine on God’s Word or on
      experiences of even the most devout believers. Because the Bible indicates that all may speak with tongues
      in private prayer, if not in the congregation, every believer must determine whether to accept or reject this
      provision of God’s grace.

       

      Scripture makes clear that believers must recognize their accountability to God and not evaluate
      Christian experience on the basis of human comparison. Paul wrote: “We do not dare to classify or
      compare ourselves with some who commend themselves. When they measure themselves by themselves
      and compare themselves with themselves, they are not wise”(2 Corinthians 10:12). Doctrine must always
      be based on the Word of God, not on personal experience.
       

      9. What is the relationship between the baptism in the Holy Spirit and the experiences of
      regeneration and sanctification?

       

      Spiritual life is composed of specific experiences or events, ongoing processes, and occasional unique
      experiences. Conversion is a specific experience, or event. At a certain moment a person believes in Christ,
      is forgiven of sin, and is converted or justified. However, after that, there is a lifelong process of
      sanctification, of conforming to the image of Christ. In the same way, the baptism in the Holy Spirit is a
      specific event. After it, however, there is a lifelong development of Spirit-filled life and ministry. The
      person matures in the Spirit-filled life, is more responsive to the leading of the Spirit, and is more fruitful
      in the ministry of the Spirit. In the same way that salvation is an initiation experience leading to
      Christlikeness, the baptism in the Holy Spirit marks a supernatural enduement leading to Christlike
      ministry in the power of the Spirit. For example, children or teenagers may be baptized in the Holy Spirit
      at a young age. Their baptism is real and valid, but as they mature they will grow in their ability to be
      used by the Spirit in various supernatural ministries. What they receive at the moment of their baptism is
      not all they will ever receive, nor is it the fullness of the expression of the power of the Spirit that will
      flow through their lives.
       

      10. What is the relationship of the baptism in the Holy Spirit to other spiritual experiences such as
      weeping, falling, shaking, etc.?

      Periods of renewal and revival have historically included physical manifestations not described in
      Scripture.18 The writings of Jonathan Edwards and John Wesley contain many such references.

      As one’s spiritual life develops, one may experience a variety of spiritual responses. For example,
      during periods of revival, including both personal and corporate revival, it is not unusual for people to be
      overcome by compulsive weeping. They may fall or shake, or quake, when influenced by the power of the
      Spirit, or they may run, jump, and shout. In short, when people feel the power of God they may respond
      in a number of ways. These are, or can be, very legitimate and fruitful encounters with the power of God.
      However, it is a mistake to confuse these responses with the experience of salvation or the baptism in the
      Holy Spirit.

      11. What is the “anointing” and how does it relate to the baptism in the Holy Spirit?

      Old Testament kings and priests were anointed with oil to symbolize the power of God in their lives
      to fulfill their calling. Jesus used this imagery when He said that the Spirit of the Lord was on Him, for
      He was anointed to minister in a number of ways (Luke 4:18). Therefore, anointing is a declaration that the
      power of God rests on a person’s life enabling one to fulfill the ministry God has given.

       

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      The baptism in the Holy Spirit fits this imagery perfectly. This is the thrust of Peter’s words at the
      household of Cornelius when, in explaining the baptism in the Holy Spirit, he indicates that Jesus was
      anointed with the Spirit and went about doing good and performing miracles (Acts 10:38).

      Some, however, when they experience the presence of God in a significant way or when they respond
      to the power of God in an unusual way (falling, etc.) report that they have received an anointing. Further,
      some teach, or at least imply, that certain individuals possess a unique “anointing” and are able to minister
      it (pass it along) to others when they pray for them. We believe that this is an unwarranted confusion of (1)
      the anointing that comes from God in the form of the baptism in the Holy Spirit with (2) other legitimate
      spiritual experiences a person may have when sensing the power and presence of God. If people come to
      believe that the unusual spiritual experiences they have (falling, etc.) are the anointing, then the biblical
      doctrine of the baptism in the Holy Spirit could easily be replaced by other experiences. We can
      acknowledge and rejoice in these other experiences that contribute to a person’s spiritual life. Nonetheless,
      people should not be led into confusing these experiences with the baptism in the Holy Spirit. It is the
      baptism in the Holy Spirit that endues a person with power for ministry. Nothing else can take its place.

      12. Is speaking in tongues the only evidence of the baptism in the Holy Spirit and a Spirit-filled
      life?

       

      Tongues are not the only evidence of a Spirit-filled life, but they are always the initial, or first,
      evidence that one has been baptized in the Holy Spirit as the entrance into a Spirit-filled life. One purpose
      of baptism in the Spirit is to empower the believer for witness; therefore, enthusiasm and boldness in
      witnessing, divine guidance and enabling in the presentation of the gospel, and miraculous manifestations
      of God’s power before unbelievers all may serve as additional evidences of baptism in the Holy Spirit,
      though not as substitutions for speaking in tongues.

       

      The Spirit-filled life should also demonstrate progressive development toward a complete Christlike
      character. The fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22,23) should be developing in the life of every believer. It
      has been observed that some who have received the baptism in the Holy Spirit and claim to be living
      Spirit-filled lives demonstrate less evidence of the fruit of the Spirit than some who have not received the
      Baptism experience. Such a fact does not destroy the truth that the Spirit takes raw material and, if given
      the opportunity, helps develop Christlike character traits in every believer. Yet development of the fruit of
      the Spirit can, and should, be enhanced in those who have been filled with the Spirit.

      Other supernatural gifts of the Spirit (besides speaking in tongues), though sometimes seemingly
      evident in the lives of believers who have not been baptized in the Spirit, do not in themselves give
      evidence of having been baptized in the Spirit. The manifestation of supernatural gifts in the life of a
      believer who has not been baptized in the Holy Spirit is possible, but being baptized opens the door to a
      more dynamic, more effective manifestation. See Question 13 and its response.

      13. Can believers who have not experienced the baptism in the Holy Spirit minister with
      supernatural signs following?

       

      As the question is stated, the answer must be yes. Mark 16:17 speaks of signs following “those who
      believe.” Yet the promise to believers before the outpouring of the Spirit on the Day of Pentecost was,

      “You will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you” (Acts 1:8). The power is a supernatural,
      divine power consistently doing supernatural things through Spirit-filled believers.

       

      The question might better be, “Is there any difference between the frequency and effectiveness of the
      supernatural gifts of the Spirit in the life of a believer after being baptized in the Holy Spirit?” The Bible
      records many miraculous demonstrations of the supernatural in the lives of Old Testament individuals, and
      in the lives of New Testament believers both before and after their Baptism experience. When Jesus sent
      out the pre-Pentecost 70, they returned reporting with joy, “Lord, even the demons submit to us in your
      name” (Luke 10:17).

       

      But there was definitely a higher incidence of spiritual gifts operating through Spirit-filled members
      of the Early Church than there was prior to the outpouring of the Holy Spirit upon yielded believers.
      Miracles were wrought through people like Stephen and Philip who did not have apostolic positions (Acts
      6:8 and 8:6,7). The full range of gifts was everywhere seen after the Day of Pentecost. It was as if a highoctane
      fuel additive propelled the Church to incredible growth and outreach. Activity after the Day of
      Pentecost was not just an extension of activity before the great outpouring. The Church had experienced a
      major empowerment for more effective ministry. The baptism in the Holy Spirit, with the initial physical
      evidence of speaking in tongues, is the doorway leading to a greatly empowered church of Jesus Christ.
       

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      14. What about persons who are convinced they were baptized in the Holy Spirit in a definite
      encounter with God, but did not speak in tongues until some time later?
      Since the Bible teaches and demonstrates that tongues are the initial evidence of receiving the baptism
      in the Holy Spirit, the Church cannot confirm the opinion of individuals until they actually speak in
      tongues. But neither can we depreciate a person’s special experience of the presence of the Holy Spirit of
      God. Such an in-between time might be described as involving a process that is completed only when the
      person speaks in tongues. To take any other position on the question would open the door to individuals
      claiming to be baptized in the Holy Spirit without having received the biblical evidence of speaking in
      tongues as the Spirit gives utterance, and feeling content with what they already have experienced
      spiritually.
       

      15. What is the relationship of John 20:22 with Acts 1:8 and Acts 2:4?
      John 20:22 is important to understanding the full ministry of the Holy Spirit. This verse records the
      disciples’ receiving the regenerating work of the Holy Spirit before the Day of Pentecost (under the New
      Covenant founded on the resurrection of the crucified Jesus). The Acts 2:4 experience occurred after the
      disciples’ regeneration by the Holy Spirit, as a separate and distinct work of the Spirit. The regeneration
      and the Spirit baptism experiences are normative for all believers. Thus all believers receive the Holy Spirit
      at salvation, or regeneration. After this regenerating work of the Holy Spirit, every believer can experience
      the baptism in the Holy Spirit, the enduement of power to be more effective witnesses (Acts 1:8; 2:4;
      2:39).

       

      Some have suggested that John 20:22 was merely a symbolic promise of the Holy Spirit’s descent at
      Pentecost. But the Greek aorist imperative for “receive” indicates that an action took place at that time, not
      sometime later. John recorded a historical event which had its own significance for the normative
      experiences of every believer today.
       

      Notes

      1All Scripture quotations are from the New International Version.

       

      2Vinson Synan, “Policy Decisions on Tongues as an Indicator of Future Church Growth,” Address to the
      Evangelical Theological Society meeting in Orlando, Florida, November 20, 1998.

       

      3Throughout Scripture, some kind of supernaturally inspired speech accompanies the giving of the Spirit. For
      example, it is said of the elders of Israel, “When the Spirit rested on them, they prophesied, but they did
      not do so again” (Numbers 11:25). The prophet Samuel told Saul, “The Spirit of the Lord will come upon
      you in power and you will prophesy . . . ” (1 Samuel 10:6,10). When God gave the promise to Joel, “And
      afterward, I will pour out my Spirit on all people,” He added, “Your sons and daughters will prophesy . . .
      ” (Joel 2:28). In the Old Testament, the Holy Spirit is most often active in prophesying through specially
      selected human beings. The Spirit is quite literally the Spirit of prophecy, and some form of verbal
      proclamation, perhaps along with other power phenomena, is the special sign of His coming.
       

      In the New Testament, the Pentecost phenomena are consistent with this promise, “All of them were filled
      with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them” (Acts 2:4). The word
      “enabled” is from the Greek verb apophthengomai, which means “to speak” usually in connection with an
      inspired utterance, e.g., “to speak as a prophet.” The same word is found in Acts 2:14 where Peter
      “addressed” the crowd. Luke understood Peter’s address to be prophetic, a sign that the Spirit had come in
      power as prophesied by Joel.

       

      4“Being continually filled with the Spirit” is the meaning of the tense of the Greek word.

      5“Speaking in tongues” refers to the ability the Holy Spirit gives believers to speak in languages they have not
      learned. Like our English word tongue, the Greek word glossa of the New Testament era meant both the
      physical organ and the language it produces. The technical term for this usage of one word (tongue) to
      indicate a related concept (language) is metonymy.

       

      6Neither are such widely accepted theological terms as Trinity and Incarnation found in Scripture.

      7i.e., people are baptized only once as a first-time expression of faith in Christ and entry into the community of
      the Church.

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      8At the very outset of Jesus’ ministry, each one of the Gospel writers emphasizes John the Baptist’s prophecy
      “He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire” (Matthew 3:11; see also Mark 1:8; Luke 3:16;
      John 1:33). Jesus himself reiterated the prophecy to His disciples just before His ascension: “In a few days
      you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit” (Acts 1:5). Jesus also explicitly commanded the disciples to
      “wait” for the promised gift of the Spirit (Acts 1:4; cf. Luke 24:49), described by Him as being “clothed
      with power from on high” (Luke 24:49) and “power . . . [to] be my witnesses” (Acts 1:8). For the
      disciples, the promise was fulfilled on the Day of Pentecost when the Spirit came in dynamic and powerful
      ways, filling them with His presence and enabling them to speak prophetically in other tongues (Acts
      2:1–4). True to the baptismal language of the biblical promise, Pentecostal believers have referred to the
      Spirit’s coming in power as “the baptism in the Holy Spirit.”

       

      9The Holy Spirit baptizes into the body of Christ at conversion; Christ baptizes in the Spirit at Spirit baptism.
       

      10Though conversion and Spirit baptism appear in this instance to be simultaneous because Baptism with the
      evidence of speaking in tongues follows conversion so quickly, there is still a chronological distinction in
      the two experiences.

       

      11“As the Spirit gave them utterance” (KJV) does not mean that some who were baptized spoke in tongues
      while others did not. It simply means that all spoke in tongues prompted by the Holy Spirit. Speaking
      with other tongues as the Holy Spirit gives utterance is not achieved through a heightened emotional state
      or through the repetition of words and phrases. It is not the result of imitating the sounds made by others.

      To the contrary, human attempts to speak with tongues only stand in the way of the utterance the Holy
      Spirit gives. The believer speaks by the supernatural, motivating power of the Spirit, although cooperation
      is required. One needs only to respond in faith and speak out as the Spirit gives utterance. Any
      manipulative technique for receiving the baptism in the Holy Spirit is without biblical pattern or propriety.

       

      12The King James translation “since ye believed” is more accurate than “when.” The Greek pisteusantes is an
      aorist active participle more accurately translated as “having believed,” indicating that the believing took
      place prior to the action Paul is asking about.

       

      13See Ralph W. Harris, Acts Today: Signs and Wonders of the Holy Spirit (Springfield, MO: Gospel
      Publishing House, 1995). Includes documented instances of individuals speaking in French, Croatian,
      Chinese, Ukrainian, and Aramaic-Hebrew, despite a lack of any training in those languages.

       

      14The sound of wind and the sight of tongues of fire preceded and were external to the disciples’ personal
      experience.

      15For all its importance as initial evidence, speaking in tongues is not the only purpose of the baptism in the
      Holy Spirit. Another purpose of the baptism in the Holy Spirit, according to Jesus’ words in Acts 1:8, is
      to empower believers to be witnesses. The Greek word translated “power” is dynamis, or the power and
      ability to get things done. God’s Great Commission is the evangelization of the world. As the Book of

      Acts clearly shows, evangelizing the world is to be done in the power of the Spirit. The powerful
      proclamation of the gospel, healings, casting out of demons, raising the dead are all clearly seen in the
      Book of Acts as Spirit-empowered believers, after being baptized in the Holy Spirit, bear witness to the
      saving power of Jesus. All of these powerful signs of God’s presence are available to the Church today.

      When believers are baptized in the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues, they should
      expect to become agents of God’s power in this world.

       

      16The fruit of the Spirit result from the sanctification process, which must take place continually after
      conversion.
       

      17For a complete biblical description of the gifts of the Spirit, see Romans 12:4–8; 1 Corinthians 12:1–11,
      27–30; Ephesians 4:11.

       

      18See Christian History, Issue 58 (Spring 1998).
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      God’s Gifts

      Part 1

      One desiring God’s Gifts, needs first to become a Christian.  A repentant heart, the acceptance of Jesus into their heart and life. The practical demonstration in their daily life, of the teachings of Christ, and the Apostles, and Evangelists.

      Accepting only the Christian Bible, of the Old and New Covenant/Testaments, as the rule of Faith, none other.

       

      Understanding God’s Plan for man:

      The Old Testament Law, was holy and pure, this holy and pure Law wasn’t known to the barbaric Hebrew peoples.

      Upon this rebellious group being freed from Egypt, by God’s power, with God’s choice of leadership in Moses.

      God, was then able to continue to prepare the people, for His future Son to come, as the Messiah to the World. 

      Purposed for the freeing of man, from his Original Sin, which had been past down to all people, by the first man, Adam.

      God instructed Moses of His Plan, for the preparation of the Hebrews, for the coming of the Messiah, through the giving of the "Law," that was given to Moses. One must remember, that when the Hebrews were lead from slavery, by the Power of God, how did they show God reverence? they made a golden calf and worshiped it! and in the end, because of their obstinence and inward, along with demonstrative outward attitudes, that entire generation died in the wilderness. Thereafter, God’s Plan continued with those, who choose to believe and trust in their delivering God.

      The Law thus began it’s true purpose, and that was in part, to instruct these barbarians, these Hebrews, into living a totally different type of lifestyle, to thinking of their God and fellow man in a new and complete light.  Furthermore, it was foreign to them, and, as a matter of fact, to all of the peoples of the known world, of how to live a pleasing life to God. 

      Accordingly, this paradigm, the "LAW" was an introduction to some of the following: honoring the beauty, perfection, and purity to wards God, virtue, humility, to have a contrite and humble spirit,  one needs to be slow to anger, lusts,and  lewdness of all kinds forbidden, along with gluttony, drunkenness, to not covet, not to oppress others, all violence, oppression, and fraud, forbidden. The Law is the defender of the poor and oppressed, thou shalt not hate thy brother, not avenge, or bear a grudge against your people, to help the stranger, or sojourner, thou shall love thy neighbor, If thy enemy be hungry feed him, or thirsty give him drink,etc… 

        The Law was good and perfect for the purposes that it was designed for, to civilize the Hebrews, for the preparation, in the receiving of the coming Messiah.

       Now, the Hebrews, at that time, had no ideal what they were being lead into, into a transformation of their total being, their mind, their heart and their soul. The Law and it’s affects, was God’s plan to wards all of humanity, it was the birthing of civilized civilization as we now know today.  God’s timing, God’s Providence.

       God’s timing, God’s Providence in the 1st. and 2nd. centuries.

      As the new Christians, of the first and second centuries A.D. began to understand God’s plan unfolding in their lives, they soon,-  through Grace and Prayer,- began to understand about God, through God directing their understanding’s about the Personage of God.

      In the formation and  of the three person in one God doctrine. Or, Of one, substance. 

      1. The Father, the first person of the Trinity.

           1a. Then, the Father said from Heaven, as Jesus was being baptized, that this was His Son, in whom He was well pleased.

      2. The Son, the second person of the Trinity.

           2a. Jesus said He was God.

      3. The Holy Spirit, the third person of the Trinity

            3a. Then upon Jesus leaving this earth and returning to the seat of holiness and honor, at the right hand of the Father.

          Jesus told the Apostles, and those gathered with them, to wait for the Holy Spirit to come upon them in Jerusalem,  which in fact, happened.

      Then, when Jesus told His disciples to go and baptize the new converts, "In the name Of The Father, In Name Of The Son, And In The Name Of The Holy Spirit. The Christian believers, then, in the second and third centuries, where able to understand the cornerstone of God’s relationship to man.

      As a result, the cornerstone, that was laid centuries after the risen Christ, was now the cornerstone, to the Christian faith, "The Trinity." This concept of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit, being of the same substance, was clarified by the use of the name "Trinity," the word Trinity, is not in the Bible.

      The reason is simple, it was realized and understood after the fact. God’s providence, had that critical part, that revelation of His Godhead, to be known, in order to prepare for the next part of His Divine Plan.   

      God’s timing, God’s Providence, about the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. 

      This description of the Holy Ghost Baptism can be best understood by reading Parts One, and Two, from the Assembly Of God’s General Council, beginning below.

      God’s Timing To Receive This Additional Gift Of The Baptism Of The Holy Spirit, After Becoming A Christian, That Timing, God’s Providence Is For Now! "Asked And You Shall Receive." 

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      PART ONE OF TWO

      © General Council of the Assemblies of God

      1 The Baptism in the Holy Spirit:

      The Baptism in the Holy Spirit: The Initial Experience and
      Continuing Evidences of the Spirit-Filled Life

      This statement on the baptism in the Holy Spirit was approved as the official statement by the

      General Presbytery of the Assemblies of God on August 11, 2000.

      On the Day of Pentecost visitors to Jerusalem witnessed the unbelievable sight of Spirit-filled
      believers declaring the glory of God in languages they had never learned. Their response to the supernatural
      was natural: “What does this mean?”1 (Acts 2:12).

      Twenty centuries later the same question is being asked as the Holy Spirit is doing spectacular things
      all around the world, not just in one location. Tongues-speaking Pentecostals have become the second
      largest family of Christians in the world, surpassed only by the Roman Catholic Church. Convincing
      statistics exist on the explosion of church growth around the world in the Pentecostal and charismatic
      groups that teach the necessity of speaking in tongues as the initial physical evidence of being filled with
      the Holy Spirit.2

      Biblical and Historical Background

      The emphasis on the person and work of the Holy Spirit, which Pentecostals promote, is not new to
      the Church. The outpouring of the Spirit on the Day of Pentecost was the logical culmination of revealed
      truth about the Holy Spirit as found throughout Old Testament Scriptures.

      The usual reference in the Old Testament to the Holy Spirit is “the Spirit of God” or “his Spirit.” At
      creation, “the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters” (Genesis 1:2). Artisans at the building of the
      tabernacle were “filled with the Spirit of God” (Exodus 31 and 35). Prophets and national leaders
      ministered supernaturally when prompted by the Spirit of God (Numbers 24:2; 1 Samuel 10:10; 11:6; 2
      Chronicles 15:1; 24:20; Isaiah 48:16; Ezekiel 11:24; Zechariah 7:12).
      Prophecy, or speaking in behalf of God, is evident throughout the Old Testament. Sometimes the
      message came almost silently, in thoughts, dreams, or visions. At other times it came with significant
      emotion (cf. Numbers 11:24–29). In each case, however, prophetic speech is the unique sign of the Spirit’s
      coming to anoint particular persons for divinely given ministries.3

       

      In Acts 2:17 Peter decisively connects the Pentecost event with the fulfillment of Old Testament
      prophecy, “I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your old men
      will dream dreams, your young men will see visions. Even on my servants, both men and women, I will
      pour out my Spirit in those days” (Joel 2:28,29). In fact, lest we miss the point, Peter repeats Joel’s
      prophecy in a way not found in the Hebrew text, saying a second time, “I will pour out my Spirit in those
      days and they will prophesy” (v. 18). The viewpoint of both the Old and New Testaments is that the
      coming of the Spirit is indicated by prophetic speech. The initial prophetic speech in Acts is speaking in
      tongues.

      The Israelites were unaccustomed to such a universal move of the Spirit in the lives of sons and
      daughters, old and young, men and women. Only a select few charismatic prophets, kings, and judges were
      moved by the Holy Spirit to minister supernaturally and experience the presence of the Spirit, as David
      demonstrates in the Psalms. Peter put the Day of Pentecost visitation into perspective as fulfillment of Old
      Testament prophecy and a divinely ordered gift of the Spirit for all believers, not just for leadership offices.
      Biblical theology is a unity based on the entire Bible. It is both progressive and unified because God
      reveals cumulative truth from Genesis to Revelation. The Old Testament prophesied a coming age of the
      Spirit. The theme is enlarged in the Spirit-empowered ministry of Jesus. At Pentecost the Spirit comes in
      power to all God’s people. Yet individual writers emphasize special aspects of the doctrine of the Holy
      Spirit. The writings of Paul emphasize the Spirit-filled life subsequent to the baptism in the Holy Spirit.

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      Luke’s writings place more emphasis on the coming of the Spirit to empower and ministry through the
      Spirit-filled life. There is no contradiction between Paul’s writings and Luke’s writings. They are
      complementary.

      Baptism in the Spirit as the Distinctive Message of Pentecostals

       

      The very essence of Pentecostalism is the recognition that the experience of conversion, while
      supremely precious, does not exhaust God’s supply of what is available to the believer. Scripture makes it
      clear that all believers have the Holy Spirit (Romans 8:9,16). However, the constant hunger for “more of
      God” is the heartbeat of Pentecostalism. This is particularly true when, within Scripture, we recognize
      another life-changing experience available to every believer.

      The baptism in the Spirit is not an end in itself, but a means to an end. The scriptural ideal for the
      believer is to be continually filled with the Spirit (Ephesians 5:18).4 Baptism in the Holy Spirit is the
      specific event that introduces the believer to the ongoing process of living a Spirit-empowered life.
      Although speaking in tongues is the outward sign of Spirit baptism, it is designed by God to be much
      more than evidence. Subsequent speaking in tongues brings enrichment to the individual believer when
      employed in private prayer (1 Corinthians 14:4) and to the congregation when accompanied by the
      interpretation (1 Corinthians 14:6,25).

       

      From its founding, The General Council of the Assemblies of God has recognized the baptism in the
      Holy Spirit as an experience distinct from and subsequent to the experience of the new birth. It has also
      recognized that the initial physical evidence of the baptism in the Spirit is speaking in tongues.5 The
      church’s Statement of Fundamental Truths contains the following statements:

      Fundamental Truth 7: All believers are entitled to and should ardently expect and earnestly seek
      the promise of the Father, the baptism in the Holy Ghost and fire, according to the command of our Lord
      Jesus Christ. This was the normal experience of all in the early Christian church. With it comes the
      endowment of power for life and service, the bestowment of the gifts and their uses in the work of the
      ministry (Luke 24:49; Acts 1:4,8; 1 Corinthians 12:1–31). This experience is distinct from and subsequent
      to the experience of the new birth (Acts 8:12–17; 10:44–46; 11:14–16; 15:7–9). With the baptism in the
      Holy Ghost come such experiences as an overflowing fullness of the Spirit (John 7:37–39; Acts 4:8), a
      deepened reverence for God (Acts 2:43; Hebrews 12:28), an intensified consecration to Him and a
      dedication to His work (Acts 2:42), and a more active love for Christ, for His Word, and for the lost
      (Mark 16:20).

       

      Fundamental Truth 8: The baptism of believers in the Holy Ghost is witnessed by the initial
      physical sign of speaking with other tongues as the Spirit of God gives them utterance (Acts 2:4). The
      speaking in tongues in this instance is the same in essence as the gift of tongues (1 Corinthians
      12:4–10,28), but different in purpose and use.

      The Assemblies of God has consistently taught the importance of the Baptism and the Spirit-filled
      life for both the individual believer and the entire Church.

      While the exact phrase “baptism in the Holy Spirit” never occurs in Scripture,6 it is closely related to
      the biblical expression “baptize(d) in [or with] the Holy Spirit” (cf. Matthew 3:11; Acts 1:5; 11:16). John
      the Baptist, the first to use the expression shortly before Jesus began His public ministry, said, “He [Jesus]
      will baptize you with the Holy Spirit” (Matthew 3:11; Mark 1:8; Luke 3:16; cf. also John 1:33). At the
      conclusion of His earthly ministry, Jesus referred to John’s statement (Acts 1:5); and Peter, in reporting on
      the events in the home of Cornelius, also repeated the statement (Acts 11:16).

      Several other terms express essentially the same idea as the expression “baptized in the Holy Spirit.”
      Acts 1:8 promises the reception of power when “the Holy Spirit comes on you” (cf. also 19:6). Acts 2:4
      states, “All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit,” on the Day of Pentecost (see also Acts 9:17). In Acts
      2:17 Peter describes this filling with the Holy Spirit as a fulfillment of the prophet Joel’s prophecy that
      God will “pour out [his] Spirit on all people” (cf. 10:45). According to Acts 8:16, prior to the ministry of
      Peter and John in Samaria, the Holy Spirit “had not yet come” on any of the Samaritans (cf. 10:44; 11:15).
      After the laying on of the apostles’ hands, the Samaritans “received the Holy Spirit” (cf. 10:47).

      The word baptism refers literally to a “dipping” or “immersing” in water. When one uses the term
      baptism in the Holy Spirit, it is analogous to what is being described by the term baptism in water.
      Christian water baptism is an initiatory rite, acknowledging conversion and the indwelling presence of the

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      Spirit.7 The baptism in the Holy Spirit is a subsequent powerful, overwhelming immersion in the Holy
      Spirit. While New Testament believers sometimes received later infillings of the Spirit (Acts 4:31),
      “baptism” in the Holy Spirit in all the biblical examples happens only once to an individual.
      A Gift With Rich Benefits

      Modern evangelical Christians place great stress on being “born again” (John 3:3,5–8; 1 Peter 1:3),
      which is rightly understood to be the work of the Holy Spirit in regeneration (John 3:6; Titus 3:5). As He
      comes in regenerating power, the Spirit makes His presence known as an inner witness to the believer’s
      new status as a child of God. The new believer can now pray “Abba, Father,” expressing the intimate and
      confident relationship of children to their Heavenly Father (Romans 8:15,16). Having taken up residence
      within, the Spirit also guides and enables the new believer in a transforming life of progressive
      sanctification and spiritual maturity (Romans 8:13; 1 Corinthians 6:11; Galatians 5:16,22–24).

       

      The work of the Spirit, however, is not just an inner transformation of new birth and sanctification; it
      is also a work of empowering believers as witnesses for Christ, thus fulfilling the mission of the Church
      (Matthew 28:18–20; Acts 1:8).8 Peter presented the initial descent of the Spirit on the Day of Pentecost as
      a mighty inauguration of the last days in which all of God’s people will be baptized, or filled, with the
      Spirit (Joel 2:28,29; Acts 2:17,18). The final words of his sermon are, “Repent, and be baptized. . . . And
      you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. The promise is for you and your children and for all who are
      far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call” (Acts 2:38,39). Far from being a one-time event on the
      Day of Pentecost, the Spirit is noted to have baptized, or filled, believer after believer. Both the Book of
      Acts and the Pauline epistles show repeated and continuing empowerment by the Holy Spirit and the
      impartation of powerful gifts for ministry (Acts 8:17; 9:17; 10:44–46; 19:4–7; Romans 1:11; 1
      Corinthians 12–14; Ephesians 5:18–21; 1 Thessalonians 5:19,20; Hebrews 2:4). Any understanding of the
      Spirit’s work that is limited to regeneration is not representative of the biblical record.

      Fidelity to Scripture, therefore, indicates that men and women ought to seek not only the
      transformational work of the Spirit in regeneration and sanctification, but also the empowering work of the
      Spirit in the Baptism promised by Jesus and repeatedly witnessed in the Book of Acts and the Epistles.
      Lives are to be changed by the Spirit in regeneration and then set ablaze and gifted by the same Spirit for a
      lifetime of service. Seeking the baptism in the Spirit is strategic for effective Christian living and ministry.

      An Experience Subsequent to Regeneration

      The baptism in the Spirit is subsequent to and distinct from the new birth. Scripture clearly describes
      a conversion experience in which the Holy Spirit baptizes believers into the body of Christ (1 Corinthians
      12:13). Scripture just as clearly describes an experience in which Christ baptizes believers in the Holy
      Spirit (Matthew 3:11). These cannot refer to the same experience since the agent who does the baptizing
      and the element into which the candidate is baptized are different in each case.9
      Luke, author of both the Gospel of Luke and the Acts of the Apostles, generally presents the baptism
      or infilling of the Spirit as something which occurs to disciples, or believers, his characteristic terms for
      those who have already been converted or saved. For Luke, baptism in the Holy Spirit is an experience
      distinct from and logically subsequent to personal salvation. Moreover, Luke presents baptism in the Spirit
      and its accompanying power as the normal expectation of believers.

       

      Subsequent usually means a time separation, but not always. The Gentiles who had gathered at the
      house of Cornelius (Acts 10) seemingly experienced both regeneration and baptism in the Holy Spirit at
      the same time. While a theological description of what happened would require regeneration as a
      prerequisite for baptism in the Spirit, everything happened so quickly that two separate works of God were
      experienced as one event. In this case, Spirit baptism was logically subsequent to regeneration, although it
      may not have been subsequent in time to any perceptible degree.10

      Every believer has the privilege of being baptized in the Spirit and should then expect to speak in
      tongues. The obvious starting point for such a declaration is the account of the initial outpouring of the
      Spirit on the Day of Pentecost (Acts 2). On that day all the believers were gathered together in one place
      (Acts 2:1); their number was apparently about 120 (Acts 1:15). For roughly 10 days they had been waiting
      for “the promise of the Father,” as Jesus had charged them to do prior to His ascension (Acts 1:4). Then
      according to Acts 2:4, “all of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as

       

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      the Spirit enabled them.”11 As Peter explained to the crowd witnessing the marvelous event, this
      outpouring of the Spirit fulfilled the ancient prophecy of Joel for the last days (Acts 2:17). No longer
      would God’s Spirit be restricted to a few prophets, but in the new age initiated by the death and
      resurrection of Jesus Christ, the work of the Spirit would now be available to all (cf. also Acts 2:39).
      Acts 8:4–13 describes Philip’s effective ministry in Samaria. Verse 12 summarizes, “But when they
      believed Philip as he preached the good news of the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they
      were baptized, both men and women.” Acts 8:14–24 then reports about additional ministry among the
      Samaritans by the apostles Peter and John. In particular, verses 15–17 say:

      When they [Peter and John] arrived, they prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit,
      because the Holy Spirit had not yet come upon any of them; they had simply been baptized into the name
      of the Lord Jesus. Then Peter and John placed their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit (Acts
      8:15–17).

       

      The dramatic account of the conversion of Saul of Tarsus on the road to Damascus is recounted in
      Acts 9. Saul is knocked down and blinded by the light of Christ’s presence. After being led on to
      Damascus, still without sight, Saul is visited by a believer named Ananias, who says to him, “Brother
      Saul, the Lord—Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you were coming here—has sent me so that
      you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit.” Ananias regards Saul’s conversion as having already
      occurred, apparently at the time of his encounter with the risen Christ. Nevertheless, Saul still needed to be
      filled with the Holy Spirit and Ananias prayed for him to that end. Clearly Saul (also called Paul) was
      filled with the Spirit some 3 days after his conversion.

      Years later Paul came to the great city of Ephesus on his third missionary journey. According to Acts
      19:7 there were about 12 believers, described as “disciples” in Acts 19:1. The dialogue recorded between
      Paul and the Ephesus disciples is instructive:

      And [Paul] asked them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when[12] you believed?” They answered,
      “No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit.” So Paul asked, “Then what baptism did you
      receive?” “John’s baptism,” they replied. Paul said, “John’s baptism was a baptism of repentance. He told
      the people to believe in the one coming after him, that is, in Jesus” (Acts 19:2–4).

       

      Clearly, at the time of this conversation these believers had not yet been baptized in the Holy Spirit,
      for they had not heard of the experience. The context presumes that something was lacking. They also had
      not been instructed about Christian water baptism; although, once Paul explained it to them, they were
      quickly baptized (19:5). Following their water baptism, “When Paul placed his hands on them, the Holy
      Spirit came on them, and they spoke in tongues and prophesied” (19:6). The narrative could not be clearer
      in its emphasis that the fullness of the Spirit was received following both the Christian belief of the
      Ephesian “disciples” and their Christian water baptism (19:5).

      In the Acts 2, Acts 9, and Acts 19 accounts, the reception of the Spirit occurs following conversion.
      According to Luke’s inspired record, baptism in the Spirit is not an aspect of conversion but rather a
      separate and distinct experience. It is also logically subsequent to conversion, although as the experience of
      the Gentiles at the house of Cornelius makes clear, conversion and baptism in the Spirit can occur in such
      swift succession that they seem to take place simultaneously.

      Tongues as Initial Physical Evidence

      The Holy Spirit can inspire people to speak in languages which they have not learned, as was
      demonstrated conclusively on the Day of Pentecost (see Acts 2) when people from all over the world heard
      Galileans speaking foreign languages which they could not have known. In the modern era similar episodes
      have occurred many times.13

       

      The expression “initial physical evidence of the baptism in the Holy Spirit” refers to the first
      outward, observable sign that the Holy Spirit has come in filling power. The repeated testimony of
      Scripture is that this physical sign occurred at the time the Spirit was poured out on individuals. When the
      120 disciples were filled with the Spirit, they spoke in tongues (Acts 2:4). They spoke then, not a day,
      week, or year later. When Cornelius’s household was baptized in the Spirit, members spoke in tongues,
      and the believing Jews were amazed (Acts 10:44–48). Again, they spoke in tongues at the same time they
      were baptized, not at some later time. When the Ephesian believers were baptized in the Spirit, they spoke
      in tongues and prophesied (Acts 19:1–6). There is no statement or implication of a delay between the event

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      of the baptism in the Spirit and the evidence of speaking in tongues. Those who teach there can be a delay
      in speaking in tongues draw their conclusions from personal experience or the testimony of others, not
      from a clear statement of Scripture. Scripture nowhere teaches, implies, or gives an example of a delay
      occurring between the baptism in the Spirit and the evidence of speaking in tongues; therefore we must
      adhere to the testimony of Scripture.
      Prior to the Day of Pentecost, many within Israel had concluded that after God spoke to and through

      the last of the Old Testament prophets, He was speaking directly to Israel no more. Only after Messiah was
      to arrive, along with the anticipated Age to Come, would God again speak to His people through the
      inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

      Suddenly, in this spiritually lifeless context, the Spirit is poured out, not just on selected individuals
      as in the Old Testament, but upon masses of people, essentially everyone in the fledgling Church. It was
      as if the cry of Moses’ heart had been fulfilled: “I wish that all the Lord’s people were prophets and that the
      Lord would put his Spirit on them!” (Numbers 11:29). In some marvelous sense the Age to Come had
      begun, and a church filled with people who spoke in tongues was a sign signifying the dawn of a new
      period in God’s eternal plan for humankind.

       

      Luke understands speaking in tongues to demonstrate the infilling presence of the Holy Spirit; this is
      clearly indicated by an examination of Acts 10:44–48.

      “While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message. The
      circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been
      poured out even on the Gentiles. For they heard them speaking in tongues and praising God” (Acts
      10:44–46).

       

      The conclusion is clear: If someone, even someone unexpected, hears the Word and speaks in divinely
      inspired tongues, that person has received the Holy Spirit. This was the reasoning of Peter and the other
      Jewish Christians present. Speaking in tongues is clear evidence someone has received the gift of the Holy
      Spirit (or been baptized in the Holy Spirit). The evidence was so clear for Peter he insisted Cornelius and
      his Gentile friends be baptized in water (10:48).

      Later, as Peter discussed the Cornelius incident with the apostles and believers in Jerusalem, he again
      referred to the phenomenon he had witnessed: “So if God gave them the same gift as he gave us, who
      believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I to think that I could oppose God?” (Acts 11:17). The next
      verse confirms the apostles and believers accepted tongues as convincing evidence of the baptism in the
      Spirit: “When they heard this, they had no further objections and praised God” (11:18).

       

      While Acts 10:45,46 establishes that speaking in tongues is clear evidence of Spirit baptism,
      evidence supporting this doctrine is also provided by the overall pattern of Acts associating speaking in
      tongues with baptism in the Spirit. Acts describes five occasions on which people received an empowering
      of the Spirit for the first time (i.e., baptism in the Spirit). In none of these accounts are all of the details
      given, but four of these occasions include significant detail. (For Paul’s reception of the Spirit recorded in
      Acts 9:17,19, hardly any detail is recorded.) As previously noted, supernatural phenomena are a sign of the
      coming of the Spirit. The New Testament simply picks up on a very important Old Testament motif.
      In Acts 2, 10, and 19 various phenomena are indicated, such as the sound of wind, tongues of fire,
      prophecy, and speaking in tongues.14 The only phenomenon occurring in each case, however, is speaking in
      tongues.

      In the Acts 8 account of Peter and John’s ministry among the Samaritans, speaking in tongues is not
      specifically mentioned but it is strongly implied. After the apostles had laid their hands on the Samaritans,
      some visible and extraordinary manifestation accompanied the reception of the Spirit. This is evident for,
      after seeing something remarkable, the magician Simon wanted to buy the ability to confer the Holy Spirit.
      Acts 8:18 notes explicitly, “When Simon saw that the Spirit was given at the laying on of the apostles’
      hands, he offered them money.” Based on the pattern found in Acts 2, 10, and 19 it seems most likely that
      what Simon saw was the Samaritan believers speaking in tongues. Had the experience been only by faith
      without any accompanying sign, Simon would not have known whether the Samaritan believers actually
      received the Holy Spirit.

       

      Acts 9:17–19 suggests that Saul of Tarsus (i.e., the apostle Paul) was filled with the Holy Spirit
      through the ministry of Ananias. Though no details of this filling are given, we know from 1 Corinthians

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      14:18 that Paul prayed in tongues regularly and often. It would hardly be surprising if that pattern was
      begun at the time he was filled with the Spirit.

      Despite the sketchiness of the report about Paul’s baptism in the Spirit, and despite the fact tongues
      are not explicitly mentioned in Acts 8, the evidence of chapters 2, 10, and 19 demonstrates an overall
      pattern of speaking in tongues as regularly accompanying the baptism in the Holy Spirit. When these three
      witnesses are linked with (1) Luke’s underlying awareness of the Spirit’s presence in divinely inspired
      speech and (2) the strong inference of Acts 10:45,46 connecting speaking in tongues with the gift of the
      Spirit, the Pentecostal doctrine that speaking in tongues constitutes evidence of Spirit baptism is clearly
      established.15

      The Baptism—Entry Into the Spirit-Filled Life

      The baptism in the Holy Spirit is just the open door leading into a Spirit-filled life—a fact that can
      be easily overlooked, even by Pentecostals. Though we believe speaking in tongues is the unmistakable
      initial evidence of the baptism in the Holy Spirit, we do not believe it signifies instant maturity. There are
      many other evidences that a life continues to be filled with the Spirit and is growing and maturing
      spiritually.

       

      Having spoken in tongues upon being baptized in the Spirit, the believer must continue to respond to
      the supernatural promptings of the Holy Spirit. For example, praying in the Spirit (intercessory and
      worship expressions in tongues) should be a continuing part of the new Spirit-filled life. Though not all
      Spirit-filled believers are given the gift of tongues which through interpretation edifies the church
      congregation (1 Corinthians 12:30), they all have the privilege of praying in the Spirit, especially at times
      when the human intellect does not know how to pray. Likewise, every Spirit-filled believer can and should
      expect to be used in supernatural ways in some, though not all, of the gifts of the Spirit.

      We cannot agree with those who teach that the fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22,23) alone are
      sufficient evidence a believer has been baptized in the Holy Spirit.16 But we do affirm such character
      qualities (love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith and faithfulness, gentleness, and selfcontrol)
      should be seen in the lives of those who have been baptized in the Holy Spirit. After baptism in
      the Spirit, the fruit of the Spirit should develop alongside a growing ministry empowered by the gifts of
      the Holy Spirit. We urge all believers to pursue these character qualities with the same zeal they pursue the
      gifts of the Spirit.17

       

      A Promise for All Believers

      We are fully aware that within the Christian community there are various interpretations of the
      biblical description and universal availability of the baptism in the Holy Spirit with the initial evidence of
      speaking in tongues. This paper has attempted to deal with the biblical texts relating to the subject in as
      open and careful a manner as possible. Though some critics have accused Pentecostals of making theology
      subservient to individual experience, we feel that the studied conclusions presented above are both taught
      in Scripture and confirmed by experience, not unjustifiably based on experience alone. Could it be that
      those who seek to refute the baptism in the Spirit on the ground that it is based on experience rather than
      on Scripture may indeed be arguing from their own experience of not having received the Baptism with the
      initial biblical evidence? We appeal to all believers to study the biblical passages prayerfully, and with
      open mind and heart seek the fullness of the Spirit for today’s challenges, just as that same Spirit moved
      upon a unified body of believers in the Early Church.

       

      The overwhelmingly godless condition of society today, with evil becoming increasingly rampant,
      calls for a Spirit-filled church that can meet the challenges of Satan with a supernatural demonstration of
      Holy Spirit power. If there is fear of an experience that seems beyond one’s rational control, let the
      personal love of a benevolent Heavenly Father give assurance to both heart and mind. “Which of you
      fathers, if your son asks for a fish, will give him a snake instead? Or if he asks for an egg, will give him a
      scorpion? If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more
      will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!” (Luke 11:11–13).

      We appeal to our fellow believers who may in complete sincerity disagree with Pentecostal theology
      and practice. Rather than engaging in attacks on fellow believers who likewise base their spiritual
      experience on Scripture, please follow the example of Gamaliel (Acts 5:34–39). “For if their purpose or

       

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      activity is of human origin, it will fail. But if it is from God, you will not be able to stop these men; you
      will only find yourselves fighting against God” (5:38,39). We believe this last-days outpouring of the
      Holy Spirit is God’s sovereign move to meet the satanic challenges of the day and to prepare Christ’s bride
      for His soon return. Around the world, God is moving by His Spirit in powerful and dynamic ways.

      We are not more loved because we have received the baptism in the Holy Spirit, but we have become
      better equipped to witness with boldness to God’s abundant grace. Empowered service and holy living
      accompany the Spirit-filled life after the Baptism initiation. In believing, expecting faith, ask Jesus to
      baptize you in the Holy Spirit.


      Cults My First Hand Experience MEO L.A.M. Norman Oetker Missionary “The Light Amidst the Mong/MEO” Hmong Thailand, Reynosa Mexico, English Class, St. Charles Missouri US.

      Cults:
       I want to share an experience, its in regards to cults, and cult leaders, with their systematic approach, in overwhelming peoples minds, and ever so slowly, by repetition, plant their false ideals.
      Their personal charisma, along with the introduction of new materials, to their select, unaware audience leads, or begins to clear a path, for indoctrination.
      In Thailand, upon listening to a so-called Christian missionary giving a seminar on a new Bible interpretation of  New Testament established doctrine. 
      His presentation was given in a rapid fire order. This is step one, in indoctrination. 
      This rapid fire order, this presentational manner, to a casual observer, might seem like the speaker is well informed, and is giving information systematically in his/her presentation, being very professional.
      Yet, when one is asked what was it that the speaker was saying? what was his main topic, and the point?
      Well… Sophism

      Sophism can mean two very different things: In the modern definition, a sophism is a confusing or illogical argument used for deceiving someone. In Ancient Greece, the sophists were a group of teachers of philosophy and rhetoric.

      cult leaders do the same, changing the subject, to confuse

      Rev. Robber Hall’s writings on “Without God in the World

      In the speakers deliberate, misleading presentation, you will hear a whole host of answers by the audience, and that is exactly the flash point, for the detection of being mislead. The red flags are then waving.
      In listening to a false teacher once, I purposed to count the times the speaker deliberately, changed the subject within the subject.
      Now, this is the God’s truth, I stopped counting after “sixty times,” within the first hour. Sixty times, plus!
      Their point is to introduce their subject- that most all agree on, as to it’s general meaning prior to his/her speaking.
      Then as one listens, another sidebar comment is made, about the main subject, which in itself is quite harmless, then, because this audience already has a predisposition, to a particular religious view- that which is known by the speaker, and is used, as another tactic, to incorporate within the group, a pretended camaraderie, to their general complaints, that he’ll  then voice, during his discourse, about this or that with in Christendom.
       
      The speaker doesn’t return to his starting topic, but, yet off to a another variant subject, within his first sidebar. It’s from this point further, that a maze is developed, a line of reasoning and thought and opinions, that where never to be understood in regards to the introductory, first and original topic.
      This new twist, on known subjects and ideals, is yet, introduced in another way, by unknown and unsubstantiated source materials.
        
      This is all given in a rapid fire order, the reason is simply to cause the listener to loose, his or her focus, in this maze of statements, and thus, begins, instead of a having a rational thinking person, the speaker then has an audience that is being tired mentally, by trying to assimilate, trying to recall, from personal knowledge, if this is so and in line with scriptures? 
      Again, with one to keep pace, with the introduction of all this new source material, and the way in which it is introduced, one begins to tire much and just begins to listen, then to think, that surely this person, who has all this supposed  new knowledge, along with his/her new source material, surely this is new to your ears, at least the parts he or she wants you to hear.
       
      Sadly, with the Christian sphere there are many Christian who are Bible illiterate, and can be easily sway by this or that new doctrine, and even those who know the Bible can be lead astray, for they want to be part of this movement, this new understanding,
       
      Then to finalize his/her topic, one will need to yet, read other writings of yet, another, to in fact,to begin to see and understand, that which was presented as the truth, presented by false teachers as Bible truths
      .
      For it is quite easy to miss apply bible passage to suit the individuals particular needs.
      Basic knowledge of Christianity, and it’s core, fundamentalist doctrines, are really not understood by the majority of those who say they are Bible believing Christians.
      The rapid fire order, will cause one to just accept what one is saying, from being tired, being tired mentally, this is how a foothold begins within one’s physic, skepticism, doubt, uncertainty about what one generally has accepted as truths. Then sad to say, vanity, and pride, with rebellious thoughts begin to emerge.
      Like I’ve said before one, who isn’t committed to reading and study the Bible, and it’s basic doctrine will soon be deceived.
      Pride enters the wicked heart, as the Bible describes our hearts.
      This pride along with vanity, creates the illusion that one is right in their new belief system.
      Pride effectively stops any omission of doubt, to what one begins to believe.
      Vanity elevates one in the new belief ideals, and as vanity loves to bring attention to it’s beholder, thus this two Pride and Vanity, have effectively captured the unsuspecting.
      Sin, with it’s guilt and shame, and most importantly it’s consequences, soon reap into the new convert all that condemnation pours forth.
      Sin and it’s pleasures only last for a season, then there is harsh reality.
      Grace gives that inner strength to say no! yet, if one’s freely chooses to disobey, God is then put in second place and rebellious sin, with it’s dreadful providence, begins it’s torturous unfolding with in the in full person.
      Yet, even in this, God’s “Mercy,” which has flowed from generation to generation continues, this Love! this Power, this Mercy, His Kindness pours for, as the morning dawn vanishes the darkness of night, so does God’s Forgiveness,  His Grace, enabling us, to have the strength to return to His loving kindness. 
      The Bible subjects, the believers, are never in isolation, it is part of the overall plan of God, and as one believes and begins to see the purpose of all of the Old and New Covenant/Testaments subjects, there then will be new light, and restored visions, to the purposes, for what we have today.
      This is what we, as followers of Christ, have a been God ordained for, in this generation.
      The Gospel, the Good News About Christ, is in our court, in this generation’s court, now, for us to return it to God, through His Holy Spirit direction, for His destined purposed, for the Christians, the followers of Christ. 
      What will do, about Jesus’s great commission call?
      What will you say to the Lord on that Judgment day?
      Well the Lord say, “well done good and faithful servant!” or will He say “depart from me you worker of iniquity I never knew you!”

      SOPHISM

      Sophism can mean two very different things: In the modern definition, a sophism is a confusing or illogical argument used for deceiving someone. In Ancient Greece, the sophists were a group of teachers of philosophy and rhetoric.

      cult leaders do the same, change the subject to confuse

      Rev. Robber Hall’s writings on “Without God in the World.” …renders it disgusting to men who are determined at all events to retain their vices. Our Saviour furnishes the solution :—They love darkness rather than light, because their deeds are evil; neither will they come to the light, lest their deeds should be reproved…PREFACE.

      …Thus infidelity is the joint offspring of an irreligious temper and unholy speculation, employed, not in examining the evidences of Christianity, but in detecting the vices and imperfections of professing Christians…

      Cults MEO L.A.M. Norman Oetker Missionary “The Light Amidst the Mong/MEO” Hmong Thailand, Reynosa Mexico, English Class, St. Charles Missouri US.

      Business Paradigm Reynosa Mexico Drug Wars MEO L.A.M. Norman Oetker Missionary “The Light Amidst the Mong/MEO” Hmong Thailand, Reynosa Mexico, English Class, St. Charles Missouri US.

      Business Paradigm Reynosa Mexico Drug Wars MEO L.A.M. Norman Oetker Missionary "The Light Amidst the Mong/MEO" Hmong Thailand, Reynosa Mexico, English Class, St. Charles Missouri US.

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      Business Paradigm

      Nafta’s report on the multiple war fronts, in Mexico, is in my opinion lacking one crucial scenario.

      Let’s suppose that the military is successful in it’s operations against the cartels, within multiple states within Mexico.

      What then are the people to do, that have been involved in the graft for generations?

      The maquiladoras (Industrial Parks) are down in manufacturing, international business are now stagnant, no growth, in this fiscal cycle, a continual slow down is projected into 2011.

      …An Average Workers Income.

      A brief example would be in order, and average start up worker, in the factories here, earns from 90 to150 pesos a day, or $7.00 and $11.00 eleven dollars. There are subsidies from some of the international  companies, medical, and some have food stamps, also some have a bus service to and from work, in addition, there is government housing available, based on your income.

      As you can see, this isn’t much.

      Another example, if your waved over in your car by a standing city transit policeman, you have an option,to pay him 100 pesos in a bribe, or get a ticket, and then, you have to go and pay 200 plus pesos. As in most of third world countries, corruption is part of their everyday life, and it’s just normal.

      Then there are the criminals who extort from the local business’s here. The governments tax revenues are in question.

      Then you have the narcos, employing and paying more that all of the others.

      The military, by victory against the cartels would create a vacuum, and then what?

      The systemic corruption, mentioned in this article, is it going to go away?

      ….

      .The millions of dollars that’s gain by corruption would stop? 

      The corruptions would all stop! because the military succeeds in one major city, against the cartels?

      I don’t think so.

      Then, would those involved in corruptions, give up the extra dollars, that enables them to live a better life?

      ….

      The vacuum need to be filled, to be off-set. A suggestion.

      A long term financial package could be arranged through the World Bank. A  massive financial infusion is needed, targeting, for the expansion of an, “International Manufacturing Industry,” for, and in Mexico.

      Collateralization could be guarantee through Mexico’s twenty billion dollar plus, offshore oil revenues. 

      The retraining, and establishing, of an international manufacturing center, supplying to the global community, and not, to just those within the U.S. border regions.

      The greater part of the current, and the upcoming, new generation of workers within Mexico, now manage and run, all of the two thousand five hundred International worldwide businesses, that have decided to locate here in the America’s.

      Yet, the future globalization projections are indicating, a currency change is coming, and, as a result, a new, or multiple new  financial centers, will be established.  Along, with them being established, new emerging markets, for goods and services will emerge.

      Mexico has become, and is now, predominately, an assembly line of putting things together for others. If the international business’s communities experience a market downturn, the production of goods and service is slowed, that domino effect is realized here, with job lay-off’s, along with plant closures.

      Furthermore, most business here to date, are going to a four day work week.

      Manufacturing, again, manufacturing is the key, along with a new paradigm, with new “LEADERSHIP.” With this new model, being based on a “New Financial Incentive Vision.”  New Business Leadership.

      The new vision, isn’t only for this generation, but those of the next. Thus, developing, a diverse business model, for the ensuring, of a stronger future, for Mexico’s financial stability.

      The model, is to the global market, not to just this region. The global community market, with this type of business model, employment and expansion in economic wealth, and freedom that it brings, would be Mexico’s long lasting fruits.

      Manufacturing, “The New Paradigm,” is the key, the time is now! for the investment, while the oil revenues collateralization is yet at hand, for shrinking oil revenues are coming, as the world goes more to energy efficient autos, and with the slow pulling away from fossil fuels.

      Other wise doomsday scenario could happen. The vacuum, that the military would create, would have to be maintained by the military, furthermore, if Mexico political leaders continue to relied on the military, for solving, all it’s local and state problems…soon then, you will have a military state.

      "Power Corrupts, An Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely!"

      Norman Oetker Christian Missionary Reynosa Mexico October 2009

       

      Big Battle Brewing In Juarez

      http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/mexico/articles/20091005.aspx

      October 5, 2009: In 2007 the drug cartels started encouraging desertion in the Mexican Army. The army had proved to be the government’s most formidable weapon against them, so the cartelistas began offering money to soldiers to desert. Undermining the military isn’t the only reason. Soldiers have tactical skills the cartels can use, like knowing how to shoot weapons and at least the basics of small unit operations. There is no evidence that the cartel’s promised bribes are succeeding, other than boasts from Los Zetas (the Gulf cartel enforcers who increasingly act as a special paramilitary gang with connections throughout Mexico). The Zetas were formed by deserters from the elite Grupo Aeromovil de Fuerzas Especiales (GAFES), an airborne and airmobile outfit with special forces capabilities.

      Desertion, however, is an old problem in Mexico and when you consider the statistics, it is a chronic problem. In the five year period before the Cartel War kicked off (January 2002 through December 2006), the Ministry of Defense said that 140,000 troops deserted the military. That is around 2000 a month. The figure from January 2007 to mid-2009 is 48,000, or roughly 1500 a month. The armed forces has about 600,000 troops, have on active duty and the rest organized reserves.

      Why desert? Terrible living conditions and low pay are the major gripes. Counter-drug duty itself and frequent re-deployment from one drug conflict zone to another also crop up in the Mexican press as complaints from soldiers.  Units are frequently moved from one area to another, to lower the possibility of corruption by a particular cartel. Soldiers also complain about corruption in the government. This ought to be a worry for the government– an instructive worry. The Mexican Army is highly respected by most of the citizens, in part because it is considered to be far less corrupt that other governmental institutions. Soldiers and many citizens come to believe the military’s efforts against the drug cartels will be wasted because the government does not go after the drug kingpins themselves (ie, they are protected by corrupt political leaders). The government recognizes this, which is one reason it keeps insisting that it is fighting a “systemic war,” which includes judicial, financial, and political reform.

      But as the Cartel War continues, Mexicans are arguing that the military is overextended and they fear a troop shortage. The string of EPR (Popular Revolutionary Army) attacks on oil facilities in 2007, led to calls for the government to pay more attention to protecting “strategic sites” (like pipelines and oil fields). In Mexico the military plays a key role in natural disaster response and recovery, and critics of the “drug war centric focus” fear that the military will not be able to respond quickly and adequately to a major earthquake (say, in Mexico City) or a super hurricane. The Mexican Army disputes that criticism. Army leaders says that they have plenty of trained natural disaster response personnel and these personnel are available throughout the nation. Mexico, however, is a large country. 200,000 military personnel may look like a lot but with around 45,000 soldiers deployed to fight the cartels, a “multiple hotspot” scenario would severely test the defense forces. A multiple hotspot scenario looks something like this: a Category 5 hurricane hits the east coast, devastating a major city; labor strife erupts in Oaxaca City and strikers occupy and barricade portions of the town; the EPR attacks several PEMEX pipelines and cuts off energy supplies to major cities and manufacturing areas; the cartels agree to a temporary truce among themselves and detail hit teams to launch coordinated attacks in Mexico City, Acapulco, Ciudad Juarez, Nuevo Laredo, and Tijuana; finally, an assassination squad murders a highly respected government official. Fantasy? Not quite. Cartel drug lords can’t create a hurricane but they have the money to pay corrupt labor leaders to lead transportation-stopping strikes and pay gunmen to coordinate attacks.

      October 3, 2009: Police have conducted two major raids on methamphetamine smugglers. A raid in Manzanillo (Colima state, on the Pacific Ocean) resulted in the seizure of 20 tons of methamphetamine chemical precursors. A raid in Nuevo Laredo (Tamaulipas state, across from Laredo, Texas) seized 17 tons.

      October, 2, 2009: U.S. police have noticed an increase in Mexican drug cartel “beyond the border” drug operations. State police in Oklahoma and Texas recently reported the discovery of “large-scale marijuana farming” in the states. The marijuana farms (which had several thousand plants) had connections to Mexican cartelistas. The cartels bring their own workers north to run the farms. One of the Oklahoma farms was found in the Kiamichi Mountains. In late 2008 a farming operation connected to the cartels was would in Ellis County, Texas. Another was discovered in Navarro County, Texas. Police investigators say the cartels are making these investments in drug farms in the US so the cartels do not have to smuggle the narcotics across the border. In other words, the Cartel War has taken a heavy toll on the narcotrafficantes.

      September 29, 2009: The Foreign Minister, speaking at a UN conference in the United States, said government forces have badly damaged the cartels. The cartels have suffered very high casualties when facing government forces and in inter-cartel turf wars (where cartel gunmen kill one another). The Foreign Minister argued that “drug pushers, gangsters, and (cartel) foot soldiers” are the bulk of the death toll. When asked for evidence, the Foreign Minister said that a very low percentage of the   bodies of the dead are claimed by families (which is an indication that the dead were involved in criminal activities). The Foreign Minister conceded that “reciprocal violence” (including retribution by cartel gunmen against civilians) remains a huge problem and this means that the war has (so far) not been a complete success.

      September 22, 2009: American authorities arrested 70 people in Phoenix, Arizona, who the police allege are connected to Mexican cartels. In several raids police seized bullet-proof vests and ski masks. Several of the people arrested were suspected of involvement in home invasions and kidnappings –possibly of illegal migrants in the Phoenix area. The bust may be connected to a larger trend. U.S. and Mexican police reported that they are seeing an increase in cartel use of illegal migrants as “mules” to carry drugs across the border. The cartels are also increasingly involved in “human trafficking” (smuggling people). The cartel gunmen also engage in kidnapping migrants and holding them for ransom. The gangs contact the migrants families. If the families can’t pay the ransom, the gangs kill the people they kidnapped. Mexican authorities reported that they have raided several places in Mexico where drug gangsters were holding Central American migrants who were trying to slip through Mexico to the US. The cartels intended to use the kidnapped migrants to move drugs to the US.

      US border agents at the San Ysidro crossing between Tijuana and San Diego fired shots at three vehicles. The vehicles tried to cross the border. Police discovered the vehicles were carrying 70 illegal migrants. The police report said the vehicles tried to “run through the port” and avoid inspection. Agents were quoted as being extremely surprised by the attempt (the crossing is heavily guarded).

      September 20, 2009: Violence in Cuidad Juarez (Chihuahua state) continues. Juarez remains President Felipe Calderon’s biggest challenge. Right across the border from El Paso, Texas, the violence in Juarez cannot be ignored by US media. The government is relying on the military to provide security for the people and to battle the drug cartels. When the military reinforced its presence in Spring 2009, initially violence dropped. Now the cartels have figured out that Juarez is a key “information warfare” battleground. The government currently has 7,000 troops and 3,000 federal police in and around Juarez. That may seem like a lot of troops but Juarez has a population of around two million. In a counter-insurgency operation, one soldier for every 50 people is a good planning figure. That would mean the government should put 40,000 troops and police in the area. What has happened is the cartels have reinforced Juarez and at the moment they have the power to raise the level of violence in the city to a “near insurgency” level. The cartels can’t do this everywhere, but since the government decided to make Juarez a major effort, the cartels appear to have made the city their maximum effort.

       

      Business Paradigm Reynosa Mexico Drug Wars MEO L.A.M. Norman Oetker Missionary "The Light Amidst the Mong/MEO" Hmong Thailand, Reynosa Mexico, English Class, St. Charles Missouri US.